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A Certain Magical Kinshomokuroku II – 01 Take 2

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Following the enormous outrage ensuing from our release, UTW has decided as a group to drop the joint with gg, and gg has graciously accepted. Our subsequent Index II releases will be on our own.

Before you gloat at how this is a victory for you or whatever, I have several things to say. I was quite amused, but disgusted, at the community we serve. Many of you were quick to denounce our release before even watching it, criticizing our work based simply on really quite trivial stylistic decisions. Instead of reviewing our releases based on translation accuracy, line flow, and video quality, you rejected our work on the sole bases of name order, presence of honorifics, and “Sparky”. Has the anime community really fallen so low? Are trivial stylistic differences really that important? That is not to say we did not make any mistakes in our release. We did, we’ve corrected them in this version, and we’ll take measures to prevent it from happening again. However, an unbelievable amount of you were so hung up over the so-called gg ideals that barely any of you even gave our release a chance to notice them.

By dropping the joint, we hope you can judge our releases for what they are. We will revert back to UTW ideals henceforth. In a nutshell:

  1. Honorifics are restored. Less work for us to use them anyway.
  2. Eastern name order restored.
  3. Still no karaoke, however. They’re unnecessary and a waste of resources.
  4. “Biribiri” will still be rendered as “Sparky”. Believe it or not, the UTW staff was unanimous in our decision for this. And honestly, if you really think “Sparky” is in poor taste, allow me to remind you that “Biribiri” means absolutely nothing in English, and therefore will also mean nothing to, say, someone who has just finished watching season 1 from Eclipse (who used “Shocker” for the same term). Furthermore, I’d like to remind you “Biribiri” is a nickname to begin with (surprise, her real name is Misaka Mikoto), and a mildly derogatory one at that. “Sparky” actually captures all the nuances of “Biribiri” perfectly, and is therefore a perfectly legitimate and reasoned rendition. And quite honestly, I couldn’t care less if your dog also happens to be named Sparky. Please.
  5. “Fukou da” will still be rendered as “How unlucky”. Frankly, if you were expecting us to copy other sub groups in rendering recurring terms and phrases in the series, then there’s nothing we can do to help you.

With the above changes, our release is in line with UTW ideals, and indeed equivalent in terms of localization to Eclipse’s season 1 subs. While we may not fully adopt gg’s policies, we do respect them and their ideals; furthermore, UTW would not even exist if it weren’t for gg’s generosity in providing us with raw transport streams to work from for each and every one of our shows. Heck, every UTW release can be considered a joint with gg in this manner.

I’ll close this post with a few words from Kusion:

Though it may not seem like it, I’ve read over the hundreds of thousands of comments. Be it on UTW, gg, IRC, or /a/. I can honestly say I’ve spent way too much time reading what you have to say. But it’s very nice to know how highly our fans think of us (people have whispered me asking, “why do you want to make our fans suffer?”). Everyone in UTW is touched by the comments you’ve made (except for the faggots), and we hope you will enjoy this release of Index II under UTW!

If our policies somehow still annoy you, I simply ask that you keep the complaining to a minimum and settle for an alternative. Thank you for reading, and enjoy the release.

Notes:[spoiler]Kagura & Bon Odori are Japanese dance ceremonies.
Houbokushi is an old Chinese work discussing topics ranging from Chinese alchemy to politics.[/spoiler]

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280 Thoughts on “A Certain Magical Kinshomokuroku II – 01 Take 2

  1. kaitzur on October 12, 2010 at 6:33 pm said:

    fukou da 😐

  2. AlienGamer on October 12, 2010 at 6:38 pm said:

    Awesome

  3. Anonymous on October 12, 2010 at 6:38 pm said:

    Bring gg back!

  4. philip on October 12, 2010 at 6:39 pm said:

    I didn’t mind the gg-UTW, but I am kind of happy that it is a solo project instead of a joint now. UTW for life <3

  5. Commander B on October 12, 2010 at 6:41 pm said:

    I don’t really care bout that Sparky thing. It’s alright, and I actually quiet happy that you still take pride into your idealism.
    For the case of Mikoto’s nickname, I’ll just manually change your script and remux it again for my collection. So, take it easy. Just do what you think is right.
    Keep your good work with balance in speed and quality. That’s what I need.

  6. AlienGamer on October 12, 2010 at 6:41 pm said:

    Its not that I hate GG, its just that i prefer UTW sole Releases

  7. DmonHiro on October 12, 2010 at 6:41 pm said:

    Applause. Thank you. “Sparky” is perfect. Karaoke is useless.
    Seriously: Sparky makes perfect sense.

  8. I’m partial to “Such misfortune” myself.

  9. Zhemos on October 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm said:

    I find It funny how people can bitch and whine about a service that’s provided to them for free. And props to the staff here for putting up with the emo teenagers that download your releases, dunno how you guys do It.

  10. cking543 on October 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm said:

    Personally, now that I think about it, I like “how unlucky” more than “Such Misfortune”. It certainly does flow better. But honestly, I have a policy of not watching gg subs (from the many troll subs in their previous releases). Sparky almost sounds like a dog’s name but now that I remember it, eclipse did use “Shocker” didn’t they? Hell I don’t even remember any of the subs ever using “BirBiri”. Most importantly I really like eastern name order, honorifics above all else, an accurate translation. Thank you UTW for providing all of this. It’s unfortunate that I didn’t download the original episode to see what the complaints were about, but good luck with the rest of the series.

  11. Personally, I don’t particularly care about the small things like name order and honorifics, because your release was still pretty solid, just like every other release you guys do. It’s a shame that so many people were upset about it because those small changes have absolutely no effect on the accuracy of translation and are just small stylistic choices :(. Well, regardless I still think you guys did the best job and plan on continuing on following your releases. Thanks for all the hard work on everything you guys do.

  12. banger on October 12, 2010 at 6:46 pm said:

    i think the beef people had with sparky is its associated as a dog’s name, whereas biribiri is not associated as a dog name, so that itself changes the meaning a great deal instead of using something like shocker. anyways i am not complaining, as it does not bother me a great deal…just explaining.

  13. I’m just wondering whether they are keeping the same editor on the project, since that was my real complaint with the first episode.

  14. I’m happy that gg is out but I still don’t like the decision of using “Sparky” and “Such misfortune”. I guess EA will keep releasing edited version of your script in order of producing higher quality subs to cater the need of true fans.

  15. Mess disapproves -100
    I can’t believe you guys caved.

  16. Stilzkin on October 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm said:

    I agree with zhemos ^^ i had no problems with the GG joint and i could care even less if you call mikoto “shocker”or “sparky” it’s a fun show to watch

  17. lonewolf on October 12, 2010 at 6:49 pm said:

    well as a group I have high opinion about u guys that’s why I was enraged by joint with >>faggots<< also by that u didn't actually changed that stupid choices for localisation and honorifics…..well good to see u back with own stuff IMO sparky is still meh 😉 (sorry had to say it)

  18. DmonHiro on October 12, 2010 at 6:50 pm said:

    So EA is going to edit your subs to have “Biribiri” and “what misfortune”, and call those subs “higher quality”. Wow, this guy has WAY too much time on his hands. “True fans” my ass, you are the true definition of a “weeaboo”, if I’ve ever seen one.

  19. I’m glad to see that you guys are willing to do all of this for your fans, however, I am still very disappointed with the amount of complaints you guys received. I mean, you guys are doing this for FREE. The only thing that the fans are giving you is downloads. If this was Crunchyroll and we were all paying you monthly then I could definitely understand the complaining, but it isn’t.
    Anyways, thanks again for all of your hard work UTW! It’s nice to see that there’s still some good subbing groups left out there.

  20. Awesome, guys, you rock.
    1. Honorifics is important. Yes, it is.
    2. Eastern name order restored. This is the greatest.
    3. Karaoke will just make my player hang. So be without it is good for me.
    4. I somehow prefer “Sparky” than “Shocker”.
    5. How can “Fukou da” be not “How unlucky”? You translate it totally correct.
    I can’t be more satisfied. UTW FTW!!

  21. tormaid on October 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm said:

    While I am partial to Eclipse’s translations if only because I am used to them, I think that yours are fine. I actually think it’s a good thing that the Anime community has become more partial to unlocalized translations. Even R1 subs are keeping honorifics now. I’m glad you decided to change this release and I will be switching to yours over Ayako from now on. Keep up the good work!

  22. causality on October 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm said:

    I much prefer shocker/such misfortune to sparky/how unlucky, but I’m glad you guys decided to dig your heels in about things you actually decided for yourselves.
    I’ll have to watch both UTWs and Ayako’s versions of ep 1 now to see how much it really bothers me with the handling of fuoka da…
    Even if you try to say that this is your own project, you must realise you will be compared to Eclipse throughout this entire release. Ayako took the easy route and used the same wordings as Eclipse did, and have escaped a lot of scrutiny because of it – I’m surprised you guys didn’t do the same from the beginning.

  23. EA: True fans, lolwhat? Leeching there script and adding “cool” upgrades doesn’t make you a truefan in the slightest. Anybody who isn’t retarded or new to anime doesn’t need to read subs word for word, nicknames like Biribiri i;d KNOW what it means to ME personally when i hear it, reading this shit as shocker, sparky or thunderlord doesn’t even matter at the end of the day.
    How unlucky…such misfortune, am i missing something here…they mean the same thing…awesome…anything else pointless to cry over?

  24. For what it’s worth, I definitely agree with everything you said in the OP. I would have backed you up on the initial release, but I wasn’t even aware of any kind of conflict until now. It’s just that the anime fandom sucks bad enough on average that I don’t really want to be any part of it, so I don’t make a habit out of reading any comments for anything.
    I’m sure there are plenty of other people who also appreciated your work and didn’t comment, though, and I’m glad to see you sticking to your guns with some of this stuff. Thanks for all of your hard work.

  25. S.o.S. on October 12, 2010 at 7:00 pm said:

    Yay, I was the first to mention the “Shocker” thing and you guys actually used it! That’s awesome! Saw the joint work, actually had no problems with it. I’ll definitely follow this release since (as I said in the overly commented post) it better follows my preference.
    Saw no difference in Touma’s “such misfortune” line becoming “How unlucky” cause seriously, it matches his personality better. And biribiri becoming Sparky sounds like a dog name…but did you guys not want to pet her head when she got embarrassed? Dog name? Who cares, I find puppies cute so I find Sparky cute too.

  26. xgraphy on October 12, 2010 at 7:00 pm said:

    Will funimation use ‘Biribiri’ and ‘Such misfortune’ etc.?
    Probably not. Get over it.

  27. banger on October 12, 2010 at 7:03 pm said:

    i don’t really care about things like name order or honorifics since there is a formula to translating those things. i am just picky about “custom” things like nicknames or catchphrases and such since reading it over and over during each episode can be annoying if it is translated in a way that seems awkward to the reader. but since there is no exact translation its hard to determine if it sounds awkward because of the wording or just because its different from what we are used to (eclipse).

  28. While this is more to my tastes, I honestly didn’t mind the gg joint either. As you said, the subtitle quality is the only thing that really matters. Still, nice to see the stylistic changes back to usual UTW.

  29. ano-nii-mus on October 12, 2010 at 7:05 pm said:

    don’t let them crushing you just because of this, show them the true power of anime fansubs, just do your subs base on your on policy and if some people ask you why this or that just say to them
    THIS IS UTW!!!
    thank you and cheers

  30. Anonymous on October 12, 2010 at 7:09 pm said:

    What pisses me off about this release isn’t that they subbed “biribiri” as “Sparky,” it’s that “Sparky” still isn’t a correct translation in terms of intention.
    If you honestly wanted to preserve everything that “biribiri” means, the best possible translation would be “Zappy”

  31. Paxton on October 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm said:

    @EA : How can you state “true fan” like what version most compared to another ? I mean, what’s a “true fan” in the first place ? Some kind of retard that like only literal translation that wouldn’t even come to mind when speaking in real life (and I mean English language and way of speaking of course) ?
    Guess I’m just a regular fan then. Saying “I’ll still take your script and remove all the effort you took to adapt the language just because it makes it not fan enough” is just plain stupid. If you’re not happy with it, just go and make the whole show… but I guess it’ll be consuming too much time and effort when you can just rip it from another group, and BTW nice post pissing in a violin for a blog with only one fu**ing release, not even giving credits (50/50 as you say). To me you are just a group of arrogant fags (and I’m not particularly a “fan” of whichever group)
    On topic : Too bad you decided to drop the joint with gg, I mean they have this sticking troll image but can do some decent work though. Can’t wait for your future releases (be it joint or not).
    PS : Sorry for the “harsh” answer to EA, but those people get on my nerves easily, feel free to remove if needed. (BTW Sparky is just a perfect fit nickname, sticks well with her character).
    *If I was gonna remove anything, it’d be HIS post. No worries, bro.

  32. S.o.S. on October 12, 2010 at 7:12 pm said:

    Ah sorry sorry! Forgot to say this: Ahem, Thanks for the release!

  33. lonewolf on October 12, 2010 at 7:14 pm said:

    funny thing gg is trying to say on their site that u guys have prob with editing….. that’s why gg are fags but oh well *whatever* ?(???)?

  34. Shruikon on October 12, 2010 at 7:15 pm said:

    I didn’t really care much about the whining over the joint (I like both groups anyway). The only thing I wanted to note was that although you say that karaoke is unnecessary… Didn’t you guys do karaoke on like all your other releases? >_>
    Also, Sparky IS genius.

  35. Anonymous on October 12, 2010 at 7:16 pm said:

    >> “Fukou da” will still be rendered as “How unlucky”. Frankly, if you were expecting us to copy other sub groups in rendering recurring terms and phrases in the series, then there’s nothing we can do to help you. We’re our own autonomous group, and not a substitute.
    You guys went full retard here. ‘No, because I am me and no he’… right.
    Facepalm.

  36. chibi209 on October 12, 2010 at 7:18 pm said:

    i thought that the joint was a good idea b-cuz of faster release time…UTW and gg themselves are both really good subbing groups anywayz

  37. lonewolf on October 12, 2010 at 7:19 pm said:

    And as for sparky it would more fitting for someone who controls fire (that red haired guy >forgot his name.>
    And yeah thanks for relase gonna check it out for sure

  38. lvhina on October 12, 2010 at 7:19 pm said:

    Well considering the history behind GG, it was only common and expected to have that sort of negative feedback. Even though there might of been accurate translations on UTW’s part, that wouldn’t stop GG from butchering it with piss-poor editing. Take yibis for example and their bad editing :p

  39. lonewolf on October 12, 2010 at 7:20 pm said:

    damn it eat my post
    “And as for sparky it would more fitting for someone who controls fire (that red haired guy *forgot his name* anyone?) not electricity >.>”

  40. chibi209 on October 12, 2010 at 7:21 pm said:

    thx 4 da release, u guys alwayz do an awesome job at it and jizz’in off the Mami Kawada OP, i play it 5 timez a day(awwww Yeaaaa………….)

  41. I had always been a [gg] fan in the past since I first watched Code Geass, however in recent years, they decided to troll in many releases, so my view towards them take a toll too. I understand the fact the all of you guys (including [gg]) are doing this for free, but the fact that they don’t value the taste of fans, lack respect for a culture which brings us the thing we love so dearly ‘anime’ and like to troll in releases are the main reasons for all the backlashes they receive.
    with this recent incident, it is clear that they have lost a chunk of respect from the anime fanbase. regardless, they are a big group and I think majority still want them to stay, because they are on of the speediest groups out there (probably the quickest to release). I only wish they could show some respect to the community to get back the respect they deserve.
    [UTW], although very new, on the other hand is one of my favourite groups over the last 15 years. It is unfortunate that you took a good portion of the rage just because your release was tagged with [gg].
    Anyways, I hope you guys keep on working on great shows, and bring us quality stuff for a long long time. Thank you.

  42. From gg’s website:
    Afaik, the staff will remain the same which includes the staff from gg (Yumi and goof) remaining on-board as the encoder and typesetter.
    I guess the only real change is the editing, since the editor can’t let gg take the fall for his shit.
    No, not really. The only change would be what’s stated in the post above. The editing was changed a bit (the problems made before were identified), and the font was changed as well.

  43. stuff up on October 12, 2010 at 7:26 pm said:

    Disregard this bitches, gg-UTW had a wonderful translation/editing of index II.
    I saw and compared both gg-UTW and ayako’s release. HAVE YOU? HAVE YOU BITCHES? though so.
    I bet that if no one said anything about honorifics, names and whatever, most of you bitches wouldn’t ever notice.
    Those faggots talk bad about gg because they are actually a very important group in fansubing.
    Names
    Honorifics
    Stuff my little sister would rage about, if I had one.
    So yeah, all those bad comments where just nitpicking bitches

  44. personally I don’t care if biribiri is translated into sparky or leave it be in japanese as biribiri because it’s more like a nickname. And I haven’t watch the gg-utw joint release for index II yet. I had only watch ayako but there’s been many hate lately that I started to check it out.
    as for changing fukou da translation of such misfortune and how unlucky. I think their is no difference -_-
    honestly why does most people start some small problem and turn it into a huge one.

  45. Doesn’t all this ridiculous drama make you wanna ragequit?
    It does.

  46. Thanks for the efforts you put in redoing the script , i was wondering which group to go for on this show .Now that you have redone it the choice is a lot easier .Thank you UTW.

  47. Still Sparky? FUCK_YOU!!
    I’ll enjoy my alternative.

  48. lol… Eclipse just released as well. 😛

  49. My love for you cannot be stopped, Kusion. I only wish I had the power to protect that smile. no homo

  50. “allow me to remind you that “Biribiri” means absolutely nothing in English”
    Fans don’t want “biribiri” for its meaning, but for its sound. It’s a nickname that possesses a big “moe” factor, so people instantly got attached to it. It’s true that there are people who don’t care (I don’t care), but for those who care, it makes a difference.
    Also, fans don’t want to be trolled. They seek for groups that never troll, that’s why everyone liked Eclipse (along with a decent quality of course), and so far, they like you (including me, you could easily become the best group ever). Many were afraid they couldn’t trust you anymore. Fans are sensitive, as grotesque as it may be …
    I’m happy you don’t spend resources on karaoke, it’s a useless thing imo, are there people who actually sing the op/ed songs blabbering japanese nonsense ? (I don’t want to hear the answer…)
    And I’m happy for the restored UTW style, since I was used to it.
    I’m impressed you guys went so far as dropping the joint with gg, but that’s definitely a thing that shows, or better, confirms that you really care for your leechers.
    I really hope that going solo wouldn’t make your work more difficult … as many others, I’d like to know you have as much fun doing funsubs as me watching them.
    tl;dr: thanks for everything you have done and are still doing for the anime community.
    Sincerely,
    a fan

  51. amen665 on October 12, 2010 at 7:59 pm said:

    you have made a wise decision in dropping gg… thx you utw. now i can without any disgust (due to gg’s behavior and superiority complex) download your awesomeness.

  52. 1.- Announce a v3 with Biribiri restored.
    2.- Let all the weeaboos download it and praise you.
    3.- The weeaboos discover the video part is not Index II but some live action pedo porn film.
    4.- You send the IPs of all the weeaboos to the FBI
    5.- All those whiners die in jail.
    6.- Nothing of value is lost.
    7.- ????
    8.- PROFIT!

  53. firepixiedarien on October 12, 2010 at 8:00 pm said:

    If you’re so disgusted at how people denounce your release over trivial shit, then why did you give in and drop GG from the joint?

  54. wat.
    I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  55. Buffaloman on October 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm said:

    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! I can live with “Sparky” and “how unlucky”. I’m glad you guys were open for a compromise. Thanks for the re-release and I look forward to the rest of the season with you guys!

  56. kojika on October 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm said:

    I think Sparky is a great name for Misaka Mikoto. It has a certain cute perkiness to it, and is suitably disrespectful and patronizing.
    Rather than being a dog’s name, I tend to associate it with either: a) A Radio Officer (as in spark transmitter); or, (b) An Electrician (for obvious reasons). That’s probably due to having worked in the Merchant Marine/Offshore industries for the past 30-odd years!
    Remember guys… Nil illegitimi carborundum.
    Many thanks
    K~

  57. >I was quite amused, but disgusted, at the community we serve.
    Oh please, it’s not like anyone is forcing you to stay.
    If you are that “disgusted” with us, quit fansubbing.

  58. s0rath on October 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm said:

    [spoiler][img]http://i56.tinypic.com/2vrso54.jpg[/img][/spoiler]

  59. My trust and admiration for your group has been greatly shattered and I do not think it will return to how it was even with this.
    quote:
    “Are trivial stylistic differences are more important than the subtitle quality itself?”
    /quote
    Trivial differences for you, may not be so for others…

  60. Jibeta on October 12, 2010 at 8:34 pm said:

    It’s sad seeing how the anime fandom has gone shittier with the years, I think it’s time for them to get a reality check, so I think it would be fun if every group subbing this dropped it. Of course, fansub is an e-dick contest so that’ll never happen, but still, it would be fun~

  61. CaptainPackard on October 12, 2010 at 8:40 pm said:

    Thanks for the release, and don’t let haters get you down.
    You have to understand though, the western anime fanbase has been through bullshit from gg and anymore I feel the majority of us would like to simply forget about them (although they did push the quality of fansubs to the extreme and make the industry what it is today).
    I support everything else you mentioned in the post and I’m happy you chose to keep subbing the show instead of dropping it due to stupid people being stupid. Thanks again.

  62. You know, if you don’t do this for yourselves, and at the same time you quite obviously don’t do this for the viewers, then why the fuck are you still subbing?

  63. Shuujin on October 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm said:

    I wouldn’t say the fansbase has fallen so low, as you’re suggesting (Well, of course some have),
    but rather that the fans are expecting a lot and maybe too much. Also everyone wants to have it the way he/she prefers. And the better the group is, the more they expect.
    Another factor is the “getting used to” something. At least it’s like that for me. For the first season, “biribiri” was just what the subbers decided to use. So I just prefer to stay consistent and have the same now. I can’t really get to like Sparky I think.
    Maybe it’s >because< it is a nickname, that it should go untranslated?
    I mean litterally it would mean something like "brzztbrzzt" or similar; but that's the worst thing that could ever be written into subs. And instead of thinking up a corresponding enlgish word that maybe means something complete different, why not leave it?
    You don't translate regular names into english either, do you? (Imagine "Ookami-san" as "Mrs. Wolf" and "Ringo" as "Apple"; fans would flame away)
    I'm not complaining, just giving my thought. You want Sparky, we live with it. You can't change the voices so I still hear "Biribiri" =D.
    After watching so many anime as I have, I turned into half otaku (lol) and really prefer as much originality as possible. I dare to assume that most watchers who have a big watched-list are like that. The worst thing still is absolute fail in translation, but there are hardly any serious groups who do that.
    Also after watching so much, I understand about half of the anime-janpanese anyways and don't care much about editing like fluent lines and the like.
    I'm grateful to you guys, you are a great quality group and bringing back honorfics and name order is an improvement for me. I might not like Sparky, but my main focus is on hearing anyway.

  64. hey guys again thx for ur upload and despite the whole discussion im not watching gg animes so i wont make any statements about ideals or something and im pretty much ok with any name u wanna give misaka ^^
    the only thing i really cant understand is point 5 it has nothing to do with catchphrases or anything but fukou really means misfortune but well whatever that fact alone wont stop me from watching ur stuff ^^ so far thx again

  65. Shit subs are shit

  66. My god… some of you people need to stop watching anime and go back to repeat-watching Twilight whilst cutting yourselves. Baaaaaw!
    I read an earlier comment that condemned UTW for trolling the fans? Are you f*king serious? Go back and re-read the shite the supposed fans posted in the original Index thread and tell me who was trolling who. The reason Eclipse never dealt with that shite is because they didnt blog-entry their releases and accept comments… its times like this I can see why.

  67. 1. Honorifics are restored. Less work for us to use them anyway.
    It’s always a good thing to have them.
    2. Eastern name order restored.
    Not a big problem, but it’s nice to have it too.
    3. Still no karaoke, however. They’re unnecessary and a waste of resources.
    Yeah, it’s not like anyone sings along anyways.
    4. “Biribiri” will still be rendered as “Sparky”. Believe it or not, the UTW staff was unanimous in our decision for this. And honestly, if you really think “Sparky” is in poor taste, allow me to remind you that “Biribiri” means absolutely nothing in English, and therefore will also mean nothing to, say, someone who has just finished watching season 1 from Eclipse (who used “Shocker” for the same term). Furthermore, I’d like to remind you “Biribiri” is a nickname to begin with (surprise, her real name is Misaka Mikoto), and a mildly derogatory one at that. “Sparky” actually captures all the nuances of “Biribiri” perfectly, and is therefore a perfectly legitimate and reasoned rendition. And quite honestly, I couldn’t care less if your dog also happens to be named Sparky. Please.
    I personally doesn’t really care that much about this, so I don’t mind.
    5. “Fukou da” will still be rendered as “How unlucky”. Frankly, if you were expecting us to copy other sub groups in rendering recurring terms and phrases in the series, then there’s nothing we can do to help you. We’re our own autonomous group, and not a substitute.
    Should be rendered as “Such Misfortune”, since that’s what we got used to, but still good.

  68. kojika on October 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm said:

    There is also an [Eclipse] version doing the rounds. Of course it’s a troll, and not a particularly good one at that!

  69. melfie on October 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm said:

    Personally I don’t like Sparky but that is no reason to not use a group with better TL than others not to mention the video quality is better… I think that all the raging in the community is getting out of hand. You see it every where now to the point where you get sick of reading a forum after the first page. I will be watching this release so thanks for the work UTW ^_^

  70. Legion on October 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm said:

    I do not mind the changes such as, “How unlucky” and Sparky. I am happy to see UTW going solo with this, and since you guys are gracious enough to also release in XviD I can happily support your group again.
    – Legion

  71. Tlevis on October 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm said:

    Still no such misfortune~? Whatever, just do it your way, UTW. Thanks for your hard work! 😀

  72. Eh, I didn’t mind either way. As long as you guys are happy with you produce.
    Sparky is an awesome decision bv the way.

  73. Rover Dangerfield on October 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm said:

    As long as you release a SD version,, I don’t care what you do/

  74. lolzly on October 12, 2010 at 9:11 pm said:

    Fuck this noise. You niggers get shows translated accurately and delivered for free. This isn’t a dialogue between fans and those actually translating it. To criticize the way a single line sounds when you don’t know dick about Japanese to begin with, and not to mention when the meaning still comes through accurately, is absolutely pathetic. How many mora does UTW or any other translator go through to translate a show in just a few hours, sometimes in the middle of the night? Back in the day, in the 90’s when anime fans weren’t insufferable cunts, this shit was unheard of. When do you plan on picking up the boxed set when it gets licensed in your country? Never, I’m sure. Anyone reading from UTW or GG realize that the majority of your “fans” are losers and ingrates. Fans getting quality for absolutely nothing in return and complaining? It’s non-contributing nothings like them that give anime such a bad stigma.

  75. Captain Slow on October 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm said:

    I see no reason to have to throw your hands up, admit defeat, and give into peer pressure. You could’ve easily told everybody to essentially fuck off and done it the other way, and I’m sure the more sensible folks wouldn’t really have cared.
    I just figured I’d give my two cents. Do what you want, I was contributing to discussion.

  76. Haven’t watched your subs yet, but from reading this entry I suspect I’ll like them.
    Agree with both “Sparky” and “how unlucky.” Sparky is hilarious and very fitting, and I absolutely hated “such misfortune.” Thank you for not resurrecting such a shitty TL.
    Thank you for subbing this; I was worried no competent groups were going to. I’d rather watch raws than Ayako.

  77. >I was quite amused, but overall very disgusted, at the community we serve.
    then stop subbing FAGGOTS

  78. Lunatari on October 12, 2010 at 9:38 pm said:

    how can people complain, they should be thankful that UTW is at least subbing it, i watched it and i have nothing to complain about, just keep up the good work XP

  79. Deadgye on October 12, 2010 at 9:40 pm said:

    I can live with sparky, as I’ve lived with shocker- although biribiri is still my preference since it is a nickname and it’s usually better to go literal and just give a TN with those things imo. But whatever, translators choice for that.
    Probably going to remux just to change “how unlucky” to “such misfortune” though. Unlucky is only the opposite of lucky, whereas misfortune covers a much broader range of what he wants to express. Misfortune takes care of both the “unlucky” and the “catastrophic/calamitous” situations that he finds himself in constantly.

  80. “Following the enormous outrage ensuing from our release, UTW has decided as a group to drop the joint with gg,”
    I had to do double-take after reading this. Are you guys that sensitive to a bunch of butthurt babies?
    I still enjoy the subs, and will continue to follow your guys’ releases, but dropping the joint because of something like that was pretty dumb move.

  81. ILoveYouGuysEitherWayThough on October 12, 2010 at 9:41 pm said:

    I [dis]like how you call the entire anime community “low” due the the simple fact that they don’t like the crap gg does.
    I personally don’t mind gg subs, I think their translations are generally more interesting than what’s actually said, but I can understand where people are coming from with their complaints. And obviously so can you if you decided to drop the joint, if you want to kiss gg’s ass beyond that, please do it without seemingly condemning the anime community that you “serve” for lack of a better term.
    Everyone translates differently, there is no right or wrong way. You can’t change people’s minds by acting righteous and disappointed, because you are not right, and neither are they. You have to make the choice to either cater to the small amount of liberal-fags, or please the majority, the literal-fags. Your mistake was switching mid-game.

  82. You guys deserve the crap that you got. You were a new group that started Angel Beats and were one of the best groups subbing (on par with Mazui, SS, etc) and you succumb to gg – which the community has a lot of hate for because it wasn’t the way you were subbing previously.
    Learn your lesson, shut up and go sub something

  83. Just realize that a large majority of your watchers are angsty, fat, young males with terrible complexions, scratching at their monitors refreshing for what they expect to be perfect quality. Honestly, there was nothing horribly wrong with the subtitles at all, and I even I noticed a couple blunders that might have bothered me, such as the honorifics, but does it matter? Fuck no. What I’m getting are well-fonted, mostly accurate, and speedy subtitles from a reliable team. You guys keep doing your thing, and though I’m not as much of an Index fan, I can assure you that you did just fine. Good job UTW, and yes, I’ll keep sucking your dicks.

  84. zekk_skywalk on October 12, 2010 at 9:48 pm said:

    Just thought I’d chime in and say that I’ll still be watching your Index II releases, no matter what choices you have and/or will make regarding them. I appreciate timely releases and the fact that you are conscious of the decisions you make, whatever they may be.

  85. KJoker on October 12, 2010 at 9:48 pm said:

    Oh god. You actually gained my respect for this post.

  86. Quantum Cat on October 12, 2010 at 9:50 pm said:

    I personally prefer my subs on the more literal side: honorifics due to the nuances they contain, etc… However–
    I would like to thank you for delivering accurate, fast, and good quality subs for free. My preferences are just that–MY preferences. I feel like I might have a say if I was on board helping you guys sub, but I’m just a spectator who downloads your translations. I don’t really have the right to demand anything. The fact that you took the time and effort to redo the subs based on fan input is above and beyond, and it is much appreciated.
    I also thought you explaining the reasoning for your translation choices was pretty interesting. I didn’t actually care about Sparky or How unlucky, but the reasons behind those decisions are pretty enlightening.
    I guess I’m a suck-up, but I’m sincere in my comments.

  87. klonen on October 12, 2010 at 9:51 pm said:

    I can’t believe how picky some people are about subtitles.
    UTW, thanks for the hard work despite the whiners.

  88. EricJohnson on October 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm said:

    Of course they do all this for the viewers. But not for the “faggots” who keep bitching about every minor detail as though voluntary fansub groups are obligated to provide you these high quality episode releases for free. If you think you can do so much better than go create your own English subtitles for the episodes. I’m just grateful that there are groups out there who put in so much effort and dedication so Western fans can enjoy an amazing show.

  89. I guess that came from 4chan. tsk tsk tsk.

  90. Yeah. The whole ordeal was pretty disgusting. I didn’t notice a quality difference.

  91. Personally, I think “Sparky” is a cute nickname… XD

  92. Gotta make the leechers happy sometimes. If any of you don’t like it, blame them leechers ?(???)?

  93. First of all , thank you for doing this , i’m sure it will restore whatever credit you had lost with your fanbase , which I’m absolutely sure , are nor the ones that have been trolling . this theread as you at UTW can see is already infested with discontent gg members/fans , as were the comments of the first release.
    this:
    Quote
    “>I was quite amused, but overall very disgusted, at the community we serve.
    then stop subbing FAGGOTS”
    As You know , is not done by the UTW fans. It is a sad backlash that will sadly be prominent for these releases for some time to come.
    quote UTW:
    “I was quite amused, but disgusted, at the community we serve. ”
    Believe me when I say , the badmouthers , who were pretending to be either UTW fans or were genuine GG fans were all in one camp, trolling away , getting the general atmosphere down , making everyone feel miserable , chasing people away.
    You can find “the community you serve” in the comments of most your other releases , where the most annoyed someone will get is when their player doesn’t play something , or there is no HD/SD version of a particular release.
    As i said , there is no mistaking , the general tone of all that was said in the original thread , and aparently a lot of fallout grief here , is not at all done by the UTW fanbase.

  94. I can’t believe people made such a big issue out of this. The joint one was good, not as good as just UTW, but good. Better than Ayako at least. I guess beggars can be choosers.

  95. People need to get the fuck over trivial bullshit. The only people who might have some room to bitch are donors, but even they should realize this is a service/hobby of yours, not some contracted job agreement.
    That being said, I personally like honorifics. They feel more natural I guess. So I’m happy with this change. But it was fine before anyway.
    thanks for your work.

  96. Goderion on October 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm said:

    I like UTW, your work gives me hours (maybe days ^^) of fun, so please ignore the stupid people and keep up the good work!

  97. Arigatou on October 12, 2010 at 10:35 pm said:

    People , please realise that 70% of these comments are fake .

    EA says:
    October 12, 2010 at 6:47 pm
    I’m happy that gg is out but I still don’t like the decision of using “Sparky” and “Such misfortune”. I guess EA will keep releasing edited version of your script in order of producing higher quality subs to cater the need of true fans.

    This ? never happened.. All fake … Trolls make it up as they go along , just to create a certain atmosphere. It is disgusting.
    All this is extra negativity by GG staff trolls. Really , don’t fall for it , it will all go away like a bad case of the plague. Decent people will have to be patient for a couple of days , smarten up and read over what are blatant lies.

  98. Thanks for the v2! While I might not agree with how gg does things, I won’t complain as really they’re doing it on their own time. Given a choice between a comparable sub group that doesn’t have their same subbing preferences I’ll go with the comparable, 10 times out of 10.
    The way I see it is like preparing an egg. You can have it sunny side up, fried, hard boiled, etc. Each person has their preferences but fundamentally it is still the same egg, just the presentation is different.

  99. Anonymous on October 12, 2010 at 10:48 pm said:

    Why would you even care what random weaabos think about your subs?

  100. Uncreative Person on October 12, 2010 at 10:49 pm said:

    I love how people froth at the mouth when gg is even mentioned. The subs were fine, and you shouldn’t cave into people bitching and moaning about a release they’re getting for free. And hell, the quality was great.
    But whatever.

  101. anon707 on October 12, 2010 at 11:00 pm said:

    ffff still going to use Sparky and ‘How Unlucky’. Though when I realized he rarely calls her Biribiri anymore I stopped caring about that and I was never really into the whole fukou da thing… Why do I care? Anyway, I still see this as a victory in my favor.
    Thanks for the subs as always, UTW.

  102. I’m already dropped Ayako and stick with you guys.
    As long as you don’t do any hardsub I don’t care about anything – it’s an anime translation, not translation of official documents or something like that. So, I think, no one should complain about Biribiri or other stuff.
    And please, if it possible, do SD (480p) in mkv – I can’t watch 720p…
    Thanks and keep it going!

  103. HanoFist on October 12, 2010 at 11:05 pm said:

    Thank you very much for subbing this show. With or without gg I’m glad you’re doing it. Also, “Sparky” is an excellent nickname.

  104. thewizardninja on October 12, 2010 at 11:06 pm said:

    Wow the script this time around is so much more polished and you used so many of my suggestions, I’m flattered. Just one thing though, Touma really shouldn’t ever be saying “Christ”, I mean he’s a proud athiest so it just seems unnatural. I can mux “Such misfortune” myself so I’m not too fussed about that. Thanks for the second release!

  105. Cardigans on October 12, 2010 at 11:08 pm said:

    yeah… sparky is cool name
    i think it’s better than bzbzbzt…

  106. Wamphyri2b on October 12, 2010 at 11:08 pm said:

    Wow, when I saw the original post I thought some people might be unhappy with it but I had no idea you guys were gonna go through this much shit. Personally, I prefer the eastern name order and honorifics, but it’s not a big deal. I actually listen to the anime while I’m reading, so it isn’t like you can miss the meaning of it. Karaoke would be cool, but it’s free and if you aren’t gonna do it…Oh, well. Sparky is cool, FTW!
    Look guys, you do great work & it is appreciated. UTW is always my first pick. The next time someone tells you not to do a joint with whoever because they don’t like the joint choices, tell to download your long joint and complain when there’s something to complain about.
    I love your encodes of Amagami SS, getting hooked on Yosuga no Sora, and can’t wait for Kuttsukiboshi pt2. That is thanks to you guys for doing good quality Fansubs.
    By the way, I think instead of bases you meant basis, lol. Just kidding guys, I couldn’t help myself. Thanks again!

  107. Someone who can’t appreciate a translation into proper English only because he’s so insistent about puny details like honorifics/naming order wouldn’t benefit from “utmost quality” either.

  108. Jumendez-sama on October 12, 2010 at 11:09 pm said:

    I’m actually sad that gg was dropped from the joint, I have no idea what everyone has against them, but they’re a great fansub group. I either liked the changes made or didn’t mind them, because no fansub is “Perfect” (and by perfect, I mean, lining up with someone’s insane ideals).
    I wish you guys had given those stupid fags a lesson in maturity and told them to just suck it up.

  109. Shooby Doo Bop on October 12, 2010 at 11:18 pm said:

    This just in, anime fans are, by and large, stupid jackasses.
    More at 11.

  110. litokid on October 12, 2010 at 11:19 pm said:

    Okay, I admit, I was kind of surprised to see Index 01 at the top of the page again. I just downloaded the original gg-joint, watched it, enjoyed it like the entertainment anime is supposed to be, and moved on. Guess I’ll throw in my two cents to add to the voices of the calmer and more rational ones here:
    The only way you can tell if they chose to use elder sister instead of “onee-sama” is if you understood the Japanese audio enough to tell the difference.
    In which case, why does it even matter? True, maybe elder sister doesn’t quite capture the nuances of onee-sama – but for you? You get it. So why the fuss?

  111. rabbitsyndrome on October 12, 2010 at 11:29 pm said:

    @thewizardninja – Actually, you’d be surprised how many atheists actually use the word christ to help express misfortune/frustration.
    Pity, I actually liked the UTW-gg translation. I suppose there’s a better chance of hell freezing over than you guys doing a second version with the UTW-gg standards. Whatever.
    I’m still of the opinion that 99% of the anime community don’t know what they want in terms of a decent translation, and that the number one focus should be whether or not YOU guys are satisfied with your translation, rather what the anime community thinks (unless you guys were conflicted about the joint too – in that case, never mind). There’s a reason why one show can have multiple subgroups working on it. Then again, I guess the 1% of people who think like me don’t really matter much in the big picture.
    I’m glad to see that you guys are keeping Sparky, at least. Sooo much better than that Biribiri crap.

  112. thanks!!

  113. Blazing Badger on October 12, 2010 at 11:48 pm said:

    I don’t really care about the joint with gg. What really annoys me is that when looking for the latest Amagami SS I have to see this series. I was hoping to resist downloading the first season until Funimation released it to save on bandwidth (mine is very limited). Now that you are doing such a great job on this like your other releases I don’t think I can resist watching it and will now have to download the first season somewhere (and probably the spinoff). Curse You! 😉

  114. reaper14th on October 12, 2010 at 11:49 pm said:

    Hey, i apppreciate the effort it is put in to fansubbing since most of us wouldnt be able to watch anything worthwhile if it wasnt for your efforts but I think i will stick with Ayako for this. I dont see why everyone complains about it when they can just use a different group, you can choose how you do it and we can choose who we get it from. Personally, I think names and nickmanes shouldn’t be translated and i just like to have consistence. It is appreciated both ways though and thank you for giving those who aren’t smart enough to realize that there are other groups out there and the ones who prefer yours a chance to watch this show 🙂 cheers

  115. Shame on you for giving in to trolls/retards.
    Restored honorifics are appreciated though.

  116. Funny, now I’ll have watched the first episode of Index three times… ^^
    Thank you very much, for all you do.
    Love your work, and fuck the haters.

  117. Ok, I’ve decided: I’m getting my Index 2 from you guys. No, this decision was not because of the changes you made (honestly, I don’t give a fuck anymore). I just believe that the least I can do now is to download, watch, and appreciate your releases to show how much I support you and the hard work you put into this. I feel that is more worthwhile than trying to reason with unreasonable ingrate teenagers who cower behind the safety of their keyboards.
    Thanks and keep up the hard work. Here’s someone who’s rooting for you.

  118. Spinzaku on October 13, 2010 at 12:12 am said:

    Wow..the community is freaking retarded. I bet the faggots who complain are unemployed aholes who live in their mother’s basement and will not buy anything, and just leech off hard work of other people. If you retards are so unhappy, go with another subbing group. I enjoy their work. I’m not fucking paying them to entertain me, and I don’t have any right to complain about their shit since hey..it’s fucking free. if you shitholes think you can do a better job, go ahead and try, ungrateful fuckers.
    Good job UTW

  119. Anon But You Can Call Me Peebs on October 13, 2010 at 12:28 am said:

    Pffft. Asshats will always be asshats. I’m just happy there was a frigging patch, dude. Thanks!

  120. Thanks in advance for this guys, Ill be sure to enjoy the series when it comes round to batch time.
    Crazy how much netrage can be generated so quickly by a vocal subgroup, hope you guys keep going as its groups like you, Mazui, Coalgirls etc who allow us to enjoy series that might never even get an official translation.
    Over here in Europe thats even more important cause we don’t get half the releases the US does

  121. An army of newbies put on their try hard pants and are trying to be cool and trying hard to make a name for themselves ruining the good nature of the veteran populous of the community… sad.?But I guess you can call all that ?????

  122. strikezcoal on October 13, 2010 at 1:01 am said:

    I don’t care what anyone says. You guys rock! Thanks for all your hard work =).

  123. Anonymity on October 13, 2010 at 1:09 am said:

    Fact majority of “so called anime fans” are weeabos 😛
    Either way you guys should’ve been prepared when you took on a popular anime series and the ensuing shitstorm that follows, due to these ppl :/
    *Good job either way with or without gg (I have no idea what’s with ppl’s strife is with gg, so what if they’re trolls?)

  124. Bahahaha, fansubbing is serious business! I actually didn’t mind the joint, but anytime you put gg in a release, you are automatically entitled to one free OMGWTF SHITSTORM, courtesy of every weaboo who doesn’t have anything better to do than to rip subgroups a new asshole, while claiming some knowledge of ‘basic Japanese’. Pro trolls are trollin’, irl they don’t have a clue about Japanese.
    Thank you for restoring honorifics, though.

  125. I don’t mind gg joint since it’s still good…
    Gonna waiting for eps 2

  126. Meh, rewatched the episode again after patching, and apart from a few lines changed for better flow, another few lines for contextual accuracy, and the changes stated by Raze, the overall script is pretty much the same. Retarded weaboos crying foul over… nothing in the first place.
    Seeing that the translator and editor are both in UTW anyway, dropping the joint really does nothing much effectively, save for the fact that UTW now need to do their own typesetting. The only change is that by dropping the [gg] tag enables UTW to drop their ideals to editing as well, which hasn’t really affect the script much anyway.
    Well played hand indeed, Kusion. Just as keikaku eh? /sniggers
    PS: Aww… why drop that fabulous rainbow ED? It’s alright as it is!
    PS2: I lol’ed at EA; ‘I guess EA will keep releasing edited version of your script in order of producing higher quality subs to cater the need of true fans.’
    > higher ‘quality’ subs
    > ‘true’ fans
    > ????

  127. Random on October 13, 2010 at 2:08 am said:

    you people are asshole u made them redo the show what dick u people are they have a life to u no ahhahahahahah

  128. Correction to ^:
    Oh wait, now that the encoder/typesetter from gg are still doing their work here, no staff changes were made then. So the whole uproar was caused by [gg]’s ideals in editing.
    FAAABULOUS indeed, shitstorm over some intangible ideals.

  129. negativebro on October 13, 2010 at 2:24 am said:

    I always appreciate the hard work, guys. There will always be the vocal minority of douchebags, but I am sure there are thousands of UTW fans who love your work without commenting anywhere. This goes for other sub groups as well.
    Haters:
    [] not gonna hate.
    [x] gonna hate.

  130. Von Malvarius on October 13, 2010 at 2:34 am said:

    I really love UTW’s releases! I haven’t watch the first season, is it possible to understand season 2 nonetheless? How long is the first season?

  131. Shooby Doo Bop on October 13, 2010 at 2:59 am said:

    People are just angry that gg, while trolls, actually do have some of the most substantial translating and editing prowess in the business right now.

  132. Haters gonna hate. Don’t get why people get so pissy about something they get for free, I personalty have no problem with gg at all there are some cases that I’ve thought that they overdid the so called “westernitation” of the subs. Anyway keep up the good work guys and I hope that everything goes well.

  133. Can’t understand what all the fuss was about. If people understand Japanese well enough to complain about minor details, why aren’t they just watching raws? If it weren’t for the awesome efforts of groups like UTW, I wouldn’t be able to watch anime at all. Usually I don’t post comments, but when stuff like this happens it makes me ashamed to be part of such an ungrateful community, so:
    Thanks for all your hard work, UTW! And thanks for not dropping Index. Don’t let the bastards get you down.

  134. TenshiZetsumei on October 13, 2010 at 3:36 am said:

    been downloading your subs since when I started watching and I don’t hate anything coz the style of subtitling you use is well… i dunno suits my tastes? but still I’m not much of a fan of gg (even though I download my HOTD and Bakuman at gg) still I like your style better.
    and P.S if its bad translation and details they hate then just watch it raw don’t complain to the subbers since they do this for free

  135. Well, I’m having trouble converting this, so I guess I’ll wait till the xvid is out XD

  136. Well… This is the first time I comment, so I thought I should say some things.
    – “No Karaoke” is Awesome. I hate the way most groups do Karaoke, trying to make it look all fancy and shit. I agree with not including them.
    – When I first read the “Sparky” thing, I was like, “Huh?”. It took me five seconds to think about it and realize that this was the Best Decision Ever, which earned you guys +10 respect in my book.
    – “Fukou da” as “How unlucky” sounds more natural, IMHO. Another excellent choice, with the subsequent respect.
    Now, I haven’t downloaded a lot of your stuff… But this season, I totally am.
    You have won a fan in me!

  137. yacchin on October 13, 2010 at 4:13 am said:

    wow, i’m surprised that you decided to drop the joint with gg… i think your gg-utw release was a solid one… anyways, thanks for the release and keep up the good work… btw, can’t wait for more razion remix;-)

  138. I have been checking the comments and seeing what people are saying and still its stupid fucking comments about how the community’s butthurt ,stupid kids ,or how people are assholes for complaining .And comments that don’t even say THANK YOU are even worse how about less retarded shit like “I can mux “Such misfortune” myself” and saying thanks for doing what was asked instead or WHINING like little brats .

  139. Wow, i actually didn’t know that so many people were against this UTW-GG joint project. I can’t understand that people are so negative about gg >.> In my eyes their releases are decent and very watchable. Anyways thank you though for subbing this show. Now that it isn’t a joint project anymore means that you guys got to do more work right? Thanks for that. UTW is in my opinion one of the best Fansub Groups. Many other fansub groups have died, or can’t keep up the pace. UTW though combines speed, quality and fanserverce at its best!! Hope that you guys won’t quit untill your 100 years old xD

  140. samsauce on October 13, 2010 at 4:46 am said:

    Sparky! Love it!

  141. BzztBzzt on October 13, 2010 at 4:48 am said:

    So did all the butthurt weaboos shrivel up when gg was dropped? Or are they now shamelessly kissing the glutes of UTW with the crowd despite the fact that the changes are so trivial?
    Don’t forget about the MASSIVE improvement to the sub by changing soldiers to knights. It’s really clear from the video that they are knights, so if you translate it as soldiers then people will get confused!

  142. the pingas on October 13, 2010 at 4:55 am said:

    I applaud your efforts.
    Keep up the excellent work. Fuck the whiners. They are the NEETs that live at home and complain about the food their mum cooks but end up eating it anyway because they are lazy ungrateful bastards.

  143. heimdallr on October 13, 2010 at 5:00 am said:

    Thanks for the release UTW, especially after having so much butthurt flung your way. x_x
    I felt the work between you and gg was rather solid. I do prefer having honorifics and eastern naming styles but I can do without, or just add it in myself if it becomes such a big deal. It amazes me how a lot of people flipped out over something so trivial.

  144. Anonymouss on October 13, 2010 at 5:02 am said:

    Honestly, while it’s not hard for someone who really wants to change the .ass file to change it, why don’t you guys just make a second track with Biribiri, Such misfortune, and any other crap like that and be done with it? It would add all of maybe 50kb, take 5 minutes to do, and there’s obviously a demand for it. I can’t really see why you wouldn’t/haven’t done this yet; it’s probably the easiest and best solution available.

  145. heimdallr on October 13, 2010 at 5:05 am said:

    Oh, @Von Malvarius
    Index season 1 has 24 episodes; I suggest watching that first. It’d feel like there’s a lot of missing info if one starts watching season 2 right off the bat.

  146. Lurker on October 13, 2010 at 5:09 am said:

    People seriously complained about Sparky? I thought it was brilliant, and part of what made me want to keep you guys despite hitting my pet peeves about names. Now that you’re preserving honorifics, eastern word order AND no Karaoke, you’re pretty much my group of choice for this.

  147. grankingx on October 13, 2010 at 5:10 am said:

    Haha… You guys sure have it tough. I’m rootin for ya.

  148. Never really cared about nuances this small. and what is this?? who cared what it says in subtitles when they still clearly say “Biribiri” in anime itself, so just freaking substitute it in your brain or something and be done with it.
    To [UTW]: nothing good will come out of sucking to whiners – they just loudest part of community not the better.
    Thanks and keep up the good work.

  149. TysonBlast on October 13, 2010 at 5:16 am said:

    I’ve always been amused by how anime fans can get so bent out of shape over the littlest things.
    For future reference, are you guys going to do Bluray releases for Index 2? I know it’s a bit early to ask, but I plan on waiting it out until the series is done and marathon it.

  150. Shadow on October 13, 2010 at 5:29 am said:

    It’s interesting how in the other thread mostly everyone commented how they hated the way it was being done. And now in this thread, most of the comments are about how they wish you hadn’t given in and changed. Human nature, I guess.
    Personally, I like the way the revised script flows and reads better. While I’m used to Biribiri as a nickname, and I’ll prob always call her that, Sparky works too. I do hope that you will at least keep Kuroko’s signature “Onee-sama”. 😉
    Thanks for subbing this!

  151. ShadowRealm on October 13, 2010 at 5:42 am said:

    i never minded watching any anime subbed by any groups… as long the subs are good enough…
    Either way… thx for continuing

  152. Ty. I honestly was fine with it. I mean, I might jokingly complain about stuff, but honestly, it isn’t like I’m paying for it. When it gets licensed and I buy the DVD, -then- I’ll complain about how fail the “official” translation is and go back to watching the fansubbed version.
    Seriously, thanks for the releases.

  153. K_Whaa on October 13, 2010 at 5:53 am said:

    @Shoadow
    Not really , you should just compare the comment threads of releases that are related with gg and those that aren’t.
    This is just new trolling ground for gg-staff trolls.
    70% of the comments here come from gg themselves , pretending to be either side tbh , adding insults , debasement , and anything they can think of to make the atmosphere here as morose as possible.
    Don’t believe for one second these are the voices of unique genuine genuine fans or haters. This is a mass flooding from gg.

  154. K_Whaa on October 13, 2010 at 5:54 am said:

    Go away gg .. just leave …

  155. Personally i would have done it as close as possible to eclipse-ss did on s1.Using the chaparralPro-Regular.oft font and keeping similar nicknames like shocker and using the same honorific and other things to have consistency with s1 .Thanks for the release guys.

  156. negativebro on October 13, 2010 at 6:31 am said:

    UTW is not Eclipse. Don’t expect them to copy everything they do, simply because they subbed the first season. So far, all of UTW’s releases have been to my liking. Raze, Ershin, Kusion, et al have an excellent way of doing things, and the only other group I would consider a personal favorite is Mazui, so… keep up the great work and sub the way you guys want things subbed. I know I’ll keep downloading. 🙂

  157. negativebro on October 13, 2010 at 6:47 am said:

    Also, I just noticed my use of ambiguous pronouns, but the message can still be deciphered, so whatevs.

  158. At least you’re back to your normal self and am glad to see #1 and #2 being re-adopted. Against #4 and #5 but I’ll edit them myself.
    But sparky is certainly better than shocker. Reminds me of a certain blue haired otaku at karaoke of a certain anime singing a certain song

  159. lolwat on October 13, 2010 at 7:18 am said:

    I’m confused, isn’t UTW just a subset of GG?

  160. Al Nonymous on October 13, 2010 at 7:24 am said:

    My favorite nickname for Misaka was “sparky crotch” which, if I remember, was used by TMD subs back in episode 1 of season 1 of index. Seeing “sparky” reminded me of that actually.
    I can’t really tell if this whole thing is just reverse trolling by gg or UTW or what, but I do enjoy UTW’s subs and after the past couple of seasons UTW’s been starting to really build a name for itself. I hope you guys continue your hard work.

  161. K_Whaa on October 13, 2010 at 7:24 am said:

    You are confused.

  162. LolWhat? on October 13, 2010 at 8:32 am said:

    if people still dont like it, just edit it yourself and remux it, how hard is it really?

  163. Fucking fags from /a/, who the hell needs eastern name order and honorifics? Fucking weeaboos.
    Next you will get a bunch of hate for translating words instead of leaving them in their GLORIOUS NIHONGO!

  164. DmonHiro on October 13, 2010 at 8:52 am said:

    So now UTW is doing Inedx II with:
    1. Honorifics. Awesome. Always a plus for me.
    2. No karaoke. Even better. Karaoke is pointless.
    3. Eastern name order. Perfect. I like what I hear and what I read to be the same, if possible.
    4. Sparky. Oh, douches, how ELSE can you translate Biribiri? Need I remind you that Eclipse used “Shocker” which sounds way worse? And if you say “Leave it like that”, please jump out of a plane and land anus first on a spire of Winchester Cathedral.
    5. How unlucky. A perfectly valid translation. Just because Eclipse translated it differently does not mean UTW has to use the same translation.
    All in all, UTW = perfect release.

  165. 10fingersmikey on October 13, 2010 at 9:29 am said:

    Fuck what anyone else says, UTW is one of my favorite sub groups period. You guys kick ass, so thanks a lot for all the awesome releases. Every show that has an option of being released by UTW, I always choose your versions.

  166. LOL. I don’t even mind about gg-UTW.
    Thanks anyway.

  167. cloudsora on October 13, 2010 at 11:35 am said:

    I don’t see why people make such a fucking big deal the translations were good and the subs weren’t that bad I mean really it was first episode for fucks sake.

  168. I asked my friend who fluent in Japan last month, and he said, UTW’s translation quality is pretty good. That’s why I go for your sub, not others.
    Personally I don;t care about name order even though I prefer Eastern style and honorific.
    Good job for you guys 😀

  169. anonymous on October 13, 2010 at 12:21 pm said:

    of course, as long i can watch it nothing else matters xD
    im glad i can see index, since it would take long time to finish the 13gb ubw T_T

  170. Long story short. Those who wants “fukou da” to be remained untranslated are just ordinary weeaboos who thinks they are awesome for knowing something Japanese. Same goes to biribiri, it’s just a slang as sparks sounds like “biri” in Japanese, Misaka was nicknamed biribiri as she produces sparks, thus, she’s nicknamed “sparky”. Nuff said.
    In layman terms : Go to hell if you’re still whining about it. If you want it to be translated to such a specific way, GO LEARN JAPANESE AND FORM YOUR BLOODY FANSUBBING GROUP AND SUBBING THEM. Gawd.
    Credits to UTW for subbing them =D

  171. leeahseng on October 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm said:

    hey UTW guy, dun be upset, Biribiri or Sparky
    you guys are still doing a good job, at least better than fa__ots
    personally preferred quality over those word mistake, some more, its just the name
    Though Biri-Biri sounds cuter

  172. elitist.magi on October 13, 2010 at 1:49 pm said:

    I completely agree with DmonHiro’s points,
    But I personally think, as the term “Biribiri” is a nickname… should it even be translated?… if I were doing this, which I’m not, and I know no ones gives a shit but then its the Internetz so who cares I’m just going to continue, I would just put a TL note somewhere the first time Touma calls Misaka “Birbiri” explaining to the audience what the term means, and how its a nickname for Misaka… and then just go with Biribiri itself from then on… Meh… w/e 😛 its just a nickname… you can just find and replace by using aegisub and remux it… wont take a minute, literary.

  173. ” you rejected our work on the sole bases of name order, presence of honorifics, and “Sparky” ”
    wait, there were complaints about THAT? holy jezus fucking christ…
    please I beg of you just to annoy the faggots who complaint, keep doing that.

  174. flonne on October 13, 2010 at 2:31 pm said:

    can’t people understand that [gg-utw] and [utw] both had same translator?? or they are too stupid to understand it

  175. some people are way to passionate about their anime…
    i’ve been comparing index 2 releases, including gg-utw, and i have to say that when it comes to the translation, the gg-utw joint was pretty damn good. now i don’t know much japanese so i wont comment on whether or not it was accurate. however, the translation does seem more conversational, more natural than the other group’s releases. As for the honorifics and other issues, i’ve watched a lot of stuff gg produced and i’ve watched a lot of stuff utw produced, it’s just a matter of preference. if you don’t like it, watch something else. we get it for free, whining isn’t really an option…
    tl;dr
    just my 2 cents…
    keep up the awesome work… waiting on my weekly amagami fix 🙂

  176. nietzsche on October 13, 2010 at 3:05 pm said:

    This fansubbing is free so if others don’t like it, they can just stop watching or sub it themselves.
    As for me, I dont really bother bout naming translations as long as overall accuracy is fine since it free anyway…

  177. mensaguy8 on October 13, 2010 at 3:09 pm said:

    Joint projects always entail compromise. People love to bitch and moan, and will continue to do so out of all proportion to the subject of complaint. There are people who are so focused on the external that they never achieve any insight into themselves – and are poorer for it.
    UTW, like Eclipse, is one of the best fansub groups out there; minor stylistic and translation differences are nothing to nit-pick.
    I, for one, am deeply appreciative of the time and effort expended by fansubbers, without whose efforts the whole community would not exist. Honto desu

  178. required on October 13, 2010 at 3:30 pm said:

    Sorry, I reserve the right for “me” to decide what I consider to be “correct” way to watch a subbed show.
    Doesn’t mean I disrespect your policy though. It was just not in line with mine.
    Though some of the ungrateful attitude shown in the comment before is indeed, nasty.
    Though what I really cared about was western name order, at least that one should stay true to the source; we’re watching a translation not adaption thus we’re the one who’s supposed to adapt. imo.
    Anyway, thanks for this, keep up the good works, word of encouragement and gratitude is the only thing I could offer to you guys. 🙂

  179. Samdidliambo on October 13, 2010 at 3:55 pm said:

    The way that the project was announced was unfortunate. Many fans, on briefly reading the post, will see it like this:
    – UTW, which we all love, has allied itself with the “hated” gg
    – UTW has caved in and adopted methods which we dislike, in fact since their are no gg concessions mentioned it seems like UTW is being used by gg.
    – This will be a “more… liberal edit than usual” (here people start getting flashbacks to 4Kids and the more heinous of gg’s trollsubs)
    – and, for the coup de grace, they have renamed one of our favourite characters “sparky”, which sounds stupid and demeaning.
    I did a double take when I first read the post. I felt sure that it must be a troll, as it seemed calculated to present the information in the most inflammatory way possible. On reflection, “Sparky” is appropriate, and indeed Misaka feels that “biribiri” is just as demeaning a nickname. Most likely, the style chosen was a fair and democratic compromise between the two groups. I certainly agree that in many cases, mild localization can be a good idea to preserve the flow of the dialog. Above all, people should definitely have watched the episode first before flaming about it. Nevertheless, you should have expected this, and frankly I think it’s a little unfair for you to say you are “disgusted” that people expect great things from you, or that they have strong feelings about preserving the original story and feel of a great piece of Anime.

  180. GG trolls the universe.
    Kusion trolled gg.
    A new multiverse emperor has been crowned.

  181. Welcome to the anime community. We’re just as bad the people on Xbox Live. But with more weeaboos.

  182. Hitler on October 13, 2010 at 4:17 pm said:

    GG > Ayako > UTW.
    You know it’s true. I’ll keep using Ayako for index, thank you very much. Enjoy getting a few hundred downloads on your shit release the next episode too. 🙂

  183. dummyacct7 on October 13, 2010 at 5:14 pm said:

    Just go ahead and do this however you feel is best, whether that means with or without gg. I mean, fansub dorama? Really guys? Guess I forgot that fansubbing is serious business.

  184. GG , crawl back in your holes , and stop trolling this with your fake comments.

  185. K_Whaa on October 13, 2010 at 5:35 pm said:

    everyone is happy , the UTW-gg disaster is behind us . No amount of fake replies are going to influence us. The last shreds of dignity gg had are now gone.

  186. OMG, Biribiri -> Sparky!!!!!???????????? LOL, so why don’t translate everything, the title and even Japanese names?

  187. go away little troll , shoo.

  188. @K_Whaa
    Do you seriously believe gg staff made those 300+ “fake” posts? Even if they wanted to, they know well enough there’s shitload of /a/ nolifes and wackjobs like you who will do it in their stead. It’s just a load of gg-hating butthurt weeaboos, and you’re one of them; deal with it.

  189. aniluv on October 13, 2010 at 6:50 pm said:

    Whiners going to whine
    Haters going to hate
    Lovers going to love???

  190. K_Whaa on October 13, 2010 at 7:24 pm said:

    @natsu
    Absolutely . This is the work of a handful of people , I don’t doubt it for 1 second.

  191. K_Whaa on October 13, 2010 at 7:28 pm said:

    you make it sound like 300 comments is a significant for people who spend their waking lives on IRC channels.

  192. bluesam20 on October 13, 2010 at 8:08 pm said:

    First thank you guys for any releases you do. You don’t have to and yet you still release these awesome subbed anime episodes anyway, taking time from your lives so that the ignorant masses can enjoy “free” anime. I prefer your way of doing things anyway, honorifics, eastern name order, etc. On the same note I appreciate what every other fansub group does as well, you spend precious time and days sometimes just so we can enjoy the anime we all love. So screw em’, these idiots apparently have no lives outside of the internet! Please continue to do what you do so well, it may not mean much but I am absolutely one of your fans, THANK YOU AGAIN.

  193. hey utw, do us a favor and just use megaupload for ddl (or main) as it is far superior to any other file hosting site out there. Its much faster and their “flash upload” feature just owns. you can’t get better then uploading a 1gig file in 1 second once it has been place in mu already 😉

  194. jackman on October 13, 2010 at 8:54 pm said:

    Does that mean that future blog posts by Kusion will from now talk about “Spark” instead of “Biribiri”? Or is that different?

  195. o yea, btw, Misaka was so cute in this episode LOL

  196. Sukiyaki on October 13, 2010 at 9:00 pm said:

    -not- related-
    Angel Beats! BD 4 has no DDL link in it.

  197. Great, so because of whiners we get a WORSE translation? Sucks, I’ve never understood people’s need to have the honorifics intact, a good localization is always better.

  198. thewizardninja on October 13, 2010 at 11:00 pm said:

    @Seron
    This version has a far better translation, they fixed a lot of the mistakes they made and all around polished their script. I can’t fathom why somebody would consider a translation better or worse simply because of the honorifics. Your comment is just as retarded as the ones complaining about them not being there in the original release.

  199. UberGodOfGalacticAwesome on October 13, 2010 at 11:00 pm said:

    Yea u r rite on seron dey maid it WORSE when ar dose fuckin japs goin to lern sum english too when dey say sumthing in english like

  200. @thewizardninja
    I don’t think it’s worth it at this point tbh .. I get drawn to this once in a while to check what is being said. I know UTW is smart enough to know what’s up , but I don’t know what the public is soaking up from all this. Personally , at this point , it would be best if they just erased these comments here and from the original release , and replaced them with a general link to an e-mail address where people can give them feedback at.

  201. CherryHawk on October 13, 2010 at 11:43 pm said:

    Even though my heart sank at the prospect of GG’s style of translation, I did watch the release and it was actually really good. I agree with the post and believe that we should all show more appreciation for this mostly thankless job that our fansubbers put so much hard work and dedication into. I’m always so amazed at how people get so caught up in complaining about the aspects of japanese that they already understand like honorifics and name order that they don’t realize what they don’t understand (a.k.a. the reason they’re watching fansubs) is being translated. btw, sparky is genious : ) I think it captures the subtle degrading undertone of Biribiri that is ultimately suggesting that she needs to calm down ; )

  202. I think everyone who flamed UTW owes them an apology… Thank you UTW and sorry for letting you guys down, I’ll have more faith in ur works from now on…Lesson learned for me indeed 😀

  203. Wait, is there not going to be a 480p version? I thought gg was out.
    We’re working on that! Sorry.

  204. Leon-Gun on October 14, 2010 at 12:48 am said:

    @weaver: I think UTW threw a flamebait post at the masses. This whole situation could be seen coming from a mile away. Did no one really expect people wouldn’t go rabid over this two lines: “Considering this is a joint with gg, we followed some of their ideals while fansubbing” and “you can expect a more… liberal edit than usual”. Seriously, those two lines alone would have been enough to start trouble. Add GG trolls, lack of honorifics and a nickname that seems more appropriate on a pikachu, and prepare to watch the cyber-fallout.
    Well, not like this only happened to UTW, ayako got a lot of hate over their insensitive remarks on eclipse, which bordered on attacks, for no apparent reason.

  205. Yoo-jin on October 14, 2010 at 1:18 am said:

    I didn’t really mind much about the subs in the gg release. Although I do prefer a more literal rendition, I didn’t mind too much. As for the whole Biribiri vs. Sparky thing, I don’t really see what the big deal is about.
    I do have one thing to add, though. I find the subs for the pure UTW release a bit more displeasing to look at visually.

  206. moelatte on October 14, 2010 at 1:22 am said:

    I honestly didn’t mind the joint project between gg and UTW. Although I do very much prefer UTW over gg, I’m not saying gg is a bad subbing site in any way. Although the prospect of UTW joining with gg didn’t tickle my fancy, but I know as long as UTW is involved there will be no problem at all. I have faith in you guys, and UTW is probably tied in first place with Eclipse as my fave subbers. Of course SS and Ryuumaru follow extremely closely behind. Please keep up the great subs!

  207. RaShayRitto on October 14, 2010 at 1:55 am said:

    Cyber bitches are the worst kind, crying about the dumbest shit when you could just enjoy this show. Its ONLY entertainment after all. Oh wait some people use it as their substitute for a life.
    congrats!

  208. UberGodOfGalacticAwesome on October 14, 2010 at 2:29 am said:

    yea rite on man dese cyber bitches shud stfu same 4 all dis dum shit , get a laif tardfaces like homeboy dere sed ites ONLY entertainment fuck yea gg fuks all them dumb bitches in the ASS

  209. Samdidliambo on October 14, 2010 at 4:11 am said:

    Here’s what I think happened: UTW was getting cold feet about doing a joint with gg. However, as Kusion is also a member of gg, and they have to maintain decent relations with them for the raws etc., they didn’t want to say so. Instead, they make a flamebait post, watch the carnage ensue, and garner themselves an ironclad excuse for dropping out. To make it more convincing, they finish by feigning disgust at the response they just incited.
    Congratulations on your success!

  210. Samdidliambo on October 14, 2010 at 4:11 am said:

    also, gtfo gg.

  211. mezame on October 14, 2010 at 4:32 am said:

    Honestly, I don’t care as long as the subs are readable.
    Still though, “Sparky” kind of sounds like a pet’s name. Cute for a dog, overly offensive for a girl. And wasn’t “biribiri” an onomatopoeia? I thought English had those…

  212. Between the first season and railgun , who of all the groups that subbed it did what ? I’m just curious here.. Who changed biribiri , and who kept it , and of those that changed it , to what did they change it?
    I know Eclipse had “shocker” , no idea about the others …

  213. Yoo-jin on October 14, 2010 at 4:57 am said:

    @mezame
    Honestly, it’s a rather offensive nickname in Japanese as well. It’s really a onomatopoeia for an electric shock/sparks. (Basically, he’s calling her “Bzztbzzt”. Would you want to be called such a thing?)

  214. I missed out on this uproar. I honestly have no problem with gg and I don’t think the UTW team would do anything to undercut their overall release quality. That said, sounds like it was a real bummer to deal with all that UTW. But I guess….thanks for taking it in stride lol

  215. mezame on October 14, 2010 at 5:14 am said:

    @Yoo-jin I would choose Bzztbzzt over Sparky any day. At least it’s funny (as it was intended to be)

  216. Yoo-jin on October 14, 2010 at 5:18 am said:

    @mezame
    I wouldn’t know if “Biribiri” is really that funny. It seems like it’s just kind of… there. It’s a nickname that’s somewhat insulting. But seriously, I would cringe if I saw “Bzztbzzt” because it honestly doesn’t really make that much sense.

  217. anonymous on October 14, 2010 at 5:22 am said:

    @Yoo-jin
    I think it would depend who calls me that tbh , if it was the person I had a crush on , I’d prefer it to be the sound of an electric shock , than what the neighbor’s kid calls his dog. Then again not eveyone gets the finer details of social interactions.
    Sparky or biribiri or shocker , are just minor details compared to removing honorifics , changing names around , removing japanese cultural elements and the likes.
    It is a Japanese cartoon with Japanese cultural elements that intrique me and that i am interested in. I don’t want them replaced or overwritten by something else , and certainly not the American equivalent.
    Of the global population about 1.8 Billion speaks and understands English.. the US is about 300 million people . I would like to think these subs are targeted at the whole english speaking part of the world and not just the US. Americans have a hard time dealing with the fact the US is only 4.5% of the world’s population , but this is beside the point.
    In this world that is ever getting smaller it really does surprise me how many intolerant and xenophobic people it still contains , even amongst the younger generations , living in denial of the existance of cultures beside theirs. Governments making their populations afraid is not helping in this either. These are Japanese cartoons , be happy we live in a world we can enjoy them , and where technology makes it possible to distribute them the way they get distributed now , and we can get in touch with other cultures through these.

  218. Yoo-jin on October 14, 2010 at 5:37 am said:

    @anonymous
    Yet, it seems that that would be rather a facetious point that it happens to be something a kid could call his dog. If I call someone named Allison “Ally” does that mean I’m equating them to a small, narrow area between two buildings?
    As for the cultural connection you can get, I feel that while anime might help induce an interest, it hardly makes people go past the simple enjoyment of anime. It seems that people get caught up in the “cool” or novelties of anime rather than actually going that far to understand that anime isn’t really that much of a gleam into *actual* Japanese culture. In fact, I think it could ultimately end up with merely a surface interest in Japanese in a bad way as much as it could spark an interest. Honestly, there are better ways of being connected to Japanese culture than to critique subs for the simple decision of things like name order and honorifics.
    I do care about them in my subs, though, but it’s a personal preference.

  219. Yoo-jin on October 14, 2010 at 5:38 am said:

    *Ally would be pronounced like “Alley”.

  220. utw is legit
    /end

  221. Sorry to hear that you guys too so much crap over the release. People are just too inflexible these days when it comes to “their” subbed anime. Maybe it’s because unlike 4-7 years ago, it’s now possible to see many dozens or hundreds of anime without running into any official R1DVD subs, which routinely do the same things that the gg-UTW release did. So people get freaked the hell out at anything that deviates from the unofficial fansubbing norms, e.g. releases by gg or Shin-GX.

  222. Leon-Gun on October 14, 2010 at 6:17 am said:

    Actually, not a lot of people like getting their names shortened, especially by people they are not exactly friendly with. The main issue I have with honorifics being removed and using western name equivalent is that you cringe everytime you hear the characters use them as they should. Like you’d hear them go all “Kamijyo…Touma” but the subs show the Touma part first and it doesn’t click right with you. In the case of honorifics people get more mad when no attempt is done to show the difference between the use, for example, of the more formal honorifics and the more personal ones. This are really just the more easy to spot things for sub viewers so obviously they will care a lot about them even though there’s plenty to split hairs about once you know a little more.

  223. lolsup on October 14, 2010 at 6:32 am said:

    mch ado about nothing

  224. George on October 14, 2010 at 6:45 am said:

    Assuming people can’t handle -san, -sama , -chan , sensei … is just insulting.
    Replacing oneesan , with the girl’s name instead of sis or sister is not acceptable for me.
    As anonymous was probably tryig to say earlier there , it’s a cultural aspect that japanese children call elders granny and gramps , call people a few years older than then aunty , and baby the baby sitter “oneesan” . It’s culture , we learn , there is no use in editing it out or pretend it doesn’t happen.

  225. gangler on October 14, 2010 at 7:47 am said:

    Lol. For serious? I’ll admit not everything in the previous sub was to my taste but since when was that the largest concern? For christs sake you guys were translating a show I love from a language I don’t understand into understandable english. I am constantly amazed at how outraged the community can get over the inane and trivial. You’d think it would stop surprising me but it really doesn’t.

  226. Shadow on October 14, 2010 at 8:15 am said:

    Maybe it’s because I’m not Japanese, but Biribiri just sounds cool!
    If I could throw lightning and the person I had a rivalry with called me that, I’d be totally cool with it. Take the same example in an English speaking country where I could shoot flames out of my hands and my rival called me Sizzlesizzle…
    “Look Sizzlesizzle, I’ve got no time to play with you right now!”
    I don’t know, maybe over time I’d get used to it, although if it was subbed in Japanese to the equivalent of “Zippo” it would come off a little weird, but that’s only my opinion.
    Bottom line, use what ya like, it’s your project. I’m just so grateful it’s finally out and I found a good group to follow it with. 🙂

  227. @thewizardninja
    I realize I came of a bit as a whiner in my original post and it wasn’t my intention, was just about to go to sleep when I read it and made a quick reply.
    But it’s great to hear they fixed translation errors. Of course the translation is worse if they keep the honorifics I can’t phantom why it wouldn’t matter. A proper localization is always better for the viewers understanding. I haven’t watched either of the releases, I’m just sad to see UTW adding the honorifics for this re-release, since it’s IMO unprofessional to keep stuff untranslated (not that fansubs are professionals since they do it for free etc.). Especially since they had gone with the right decision the first time. But they’re free to translate how they want to, I just left some feedback. Albeit not very constructive.
    @UberGodOfGalacticAwesome
    What do you even mean? You do know there’s a different between formal and spoken English that can be used to give the same effect as the honorifics does. Although it’s a bit harder to translate.

  228. This is certainly not a good news to me… I just don’t understand why people cannot appreciate gg’s ideals… To me they’re one of the best subbing groups around yet they seem to be so under-appreciated… I absolutely loved the original gg-UTW release and was looking forward to more releases from this joint…

  229. To be dreadfully honest, Sparky is growing on me. (^.^)

  230. Noobinator on October 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm said:

    I personally has no problem with your style of subbing. GG is a great subbing group too, but no one seems to be appreciating them. it would seem that /a/ is really sets out to destroy the anime community from the inside. the only thing that matters in subbing is that we as an audience can understand what’s going on, that’s all.
    oh, and do be careful posting those kind of post. although i do see where you’re getting at, you are inviting trolls at the same time. proceed with caution.

  231. mezame on October 14, 2010 at 2:32 pm said:

    @Actar all that’s left to grow is a tail and a pair of puppy ears

  232. yeahair on October 14, 2010 at 3:13 pm said:

    I thank you for dropping the joint with gg. I have no problems, when it’s used in Dub’s, but the reverse name order is IMO really unnecessary in a sub, where you can clearly hear the characters saying it the other way around.

  233. @Catflap
    Thanks! You learn something new everyday.

  234. moe moe moe on October 14, 2010 at 4:37 pm said:

    After Reading Thru Some Of The Comments I’ve Reached My Conclusion… People Are Scary o_o

  235. Hi, UTW staff!
    Just letting you know that I didn’t care much at all whether you continued the joint with GG or not. You guys were awesome enough just picking up this anime in the first place, so you got no complaints from me, as I also don’t give a rat’s ass about name ordering, honorifics or the like. It’s too silly to make a big uproar over it considering you’re not a native Japanese speaker to begin with.

  236. Shadow on October 14, 2010 at 5:41 pm said:

    I’m really starting to uderstand what K_Waa said. It’s the same thing written differently each time.
    That or the post was just written in such a way to illicit the exact same gut response in most and it just appears that way. The current way they are doing it it pretty much how most fansubbers have been doing it over the decade. To me, fansubbing is what DVD companies should strive to be like, not the other way around.

  237. Shadow on October 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm said:

    ^^ “Illicit” meant to be “elicit”. 😉

  238. martinez on October 14, 2010 at 6:00 pm said:

    i love u, guys….

  239. Biribiri on October 14, 2010 at 9:10 pm said:

    Lol, UTW acts all butthurt over the negative comments from the gg joint but all those comments are the reason they dropped joint. If we hadn’t said anything, solo release wouldn’t have happened. You care more about your reputation than anything

  240. Why would people bash a GG joint? They’re one of the non shitty groups.

  241. Leon-Gun on October 15, 2010 at 12:28 am said:

    @Kanti
    Obviously you haven’t noticed how conflicting and polarizing they are. Why do you think UTW decided to drop the GG tag (even though the project members remain essentially the same)?

  242. Otaku-Kun on October 15, 2010 at 12:43 am said:

    You guys make great quality Fansubs and furthermore in quite a short time!
    That is impressive!
    And that is why i like to watch your subs so much^^
    However there will always be people that will complain even though they get the fansub for free and with that they don’t have a right to complain. Solely ignore them and keep the great work on!

  243. Skittles on October 15, 2010 at 12:55 am said:

    if people are sooo good in jap and always complain about shit traslations. then fucking DOWNLOAD and Watch Raws u shitheads. dont go complaining bout the hard work and the time these people put into the subs. they give it to us FOR FREE. u dont pay these people[instead for donators of course].so dat gives u no right to criticize. oh,and btw, UTW rocks. keep up the good work and dont let em haters get u down.

  244. lolwut on October 15, 2010 at 1:28 am said:

    picking fansub sure is fucking serious business

  245. thewizardninja on October 15, 2010 at 2:18 am said:

    @Seron
    >I haven’t watched either of the releases
    Then shut up. You can’t make any criticisms if you haven’t even seen the release. Besides, honorifics are insignificant, you don’t lose anything by dropping them but you don’t gain anything either. It doesn’t somehow make the translation “worse”, it’s just putting one aspect of translation (fidelity) above another (transparency), it’s nothing more than a personal preference.

  246. There are times when I think shows should be localized (like Durarara!!) in order to attain the same feeling that the Japanese viewers would have when they watch, and gg has done a good job on many of these type of shows. IMO though I feel that shows like Index has no need to be localized, because I think it’s not so good that people who don’t normally watch anime would watch it for the content. In the end I guess it’s up to the subbing group to decide who their “target market” is when they release their subs, and to consistently follow this path.
    From watching Crunchyroll’s anime, I’m pretty sure that their target market are newcomers into anime. I assume that’s why they have tons of localization (e.g. Hasegawa in Gintama called D.O.R.K. instead of MADAO). If gg’s stance is localization, that is even better because now you have people localizing anime with relatively high quality FOR FREE (though they would have a much better reputation if they stop trolling). If it’s to get people into anime, while I may not choose to watch it, I’m all for it.
    I’ve already watched the v1 of the first episode of Index II by gg-UTW and only the only problem I really find is that it’s going to take me a while to get used to “Sparky” – then I thought of it this way: If it’s as much of an strange name to call someone in English as it is to call someone “Biribiri” in Japanese, then I say UTW has achieved its goal. I remember when Eclipse changed “Biribiri” to “Shocker” it took me awhile to get over that too.

  247. It might seem to you that a majority of the fans complained, when the truth probably is that the majority shut the fuck up and watched your release.
    Please do consider the watchers as well, not just the whiners. Reminds me of MMOs and their respective communities, geez. When western society is as good as it is, I guess some people just have to create problems.
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  248. if you guys really bother with the sparky thing why don’t you edit the script ur self
    better than complaining your ass here
    lol

  249. jujubeeza on October 15, 2010 at 12:43 pm said:

    You guys are my favorite translating group, so this backlash upsets me.
    You guys are Japanese to English translators. The whole point of this group’s existence is to allow English-speaking people to understand what’s going on. A casual viewer would appreciate the translation from biribiri to sparky, because biribiri means nothing to them (hell it’s just an onomatopoeia in Japanese…) and sparky does.
    Sorry for ranting, but there are those who do appreciate your releases. We just never post. I suppose it’s disappoint in a way that only when the viewers who suck (read: faggots) begin to spam that us honest viewing folks reveal ourselves.

  250. well honorifics are a waste of time but oh well you guys stioll do a great job looking for the next episode

  251. Majnun on October 15, 2010 at 9:00 pm said:

    not to whine or anything, just wondering why you would upload something as small as that patch on something like fileserve when there are way too many other options (for a 5k kbs file) that don’t require captcha and waiting for the download link. (Mediafire comes to mind, but not exclusively).

  252. Pingback: What’s Wrong with ‘Sparky’? « Open Your Mind

  253. Tina Heart Anime on October 16, 2010 at 12:01 am said:

    I love honorifics , they make me understand the relations between people and how they act towards eachother , thank you utw for keeping them in.
    :hugs: UTW

  254. UnLucky on October 16, 2010 at 3:44 am said:

    Honorifics add nothing and I don’t even care about name order as long as it’s consistent.
    gg rules anyway, and I love how much hate they get. Doesn’t stop me from watching everything they sub. Just forget this babies and do it your way.
    Whatever man, nothin’s changed and I’ll still come here weekly for this.

  255. quote “Whatever man, nothin’s changed and I’ll still come here weekly for this.”
    To troll ?

  256. Onanymouse on October 17, 2010 at 1:33 am said:

    I will respect “Sparky” as a “rendition” the moment you start “rendering” Hanako as Flower Child, Sakura as Cherry Blossom, Yuki as Snow, …
    If you’re gonna be idiots, at least be consistent. And no, Biribiri being “just” a nickname is not an excuse either. Not unless you start to think that finding a suitable “rendition” for Kyon would be a fabulous idea as well.

  257. Onanymouse:
    In most cases, not translating a name makes 100% sense. You’re correct about that and that is indeed what we’ve done in the past (Tenshi). However, using “Biribiri”, which is quite obviously a demeaning nickname and not a given name, flows like shit. Hence not translating it. If you don’t like it, you could always demux the script, find+replace, and re-mux.

  258. Onanymouse on October 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm said:

    No need for that, as I’m following Ayako this time. Whether it flows or not is actually largely a matter of what you’re used to. As I’m used to Biribiri, “Sparky” flows like shit to me. I do agree though that it’s at least better than Eclipse’s “Shocker”.
    I guess what pisses people off the most is that this whole idea gives off the impression that it did not come out as the result of hard thinking on how to best translate a certain line, but rather a deliberate troll with the intention to piss off right from the start. Why else would gg be bragging about it in their announcement post despite the name not having appeared yet at 2 episodes in? You keep justifying the decision, but apparently no one ever even tried to ease this impression, making me think it’s not so far off. Nobody raged when Eclipse did their “rendition”, and I think there wouldn’t have been much rage either if it just appeared when it’s first needed in the script (I still wouldn’t have liked it though).
    Btw, why not provide two subtitle streams in the mkv? One for Biribiri and one for Sparky? Think of it as a statement of how ridiculous you think this whole argument is.
    The ultimate lulz will be had if her nickname does not appear even once…

  259. The Amagami windmills! They’re invading Index!

  260. koclokboy on October 18, 2010 at 2:05 pm said:

    YOU WIN, man! believe it or not : in my usual website, there’s a polling about “best fansub”, and your score is way up high….

  261. ghostalker on October 18, 2010 at 5:10 pm said:

    Probably this is case of a difference on cultures between east and west, as a Filipino, we kinda also use a form of honorifics to signify our relationship to people (endearment to others). It’s not a big deal to westerners but to us its a big deal, its like dropping it is equivalent to blasphemy/taboo. As a person who is so expose to western culture, its not a big deal really to watch subs that drop honorifics all together, but of course I do appreciate if they include it. Anyways thanks to the people behind UTW, I appreciate your dedication and hardwork for providing the latest and the best animes out there! 🙂

  262. penguin-fever on October 18, 2010 at 8:12 pm said:

    Man, I didn’t know the “anime community” gave a damn about such pointless things.

  263. Well, if you don’t like something, drop it. I don’t see an issue over the nicknames and stuff. If you can’t adjust changes then too bad for you. Go and sit in one corner and sulk then. Besides, those of you who are complaining and acting like kings forgot that you are actually leeching off anime for FREE. Try doing their job then and if you can produce a better one, you are forgiven. Personally, me and my friends think they did a great job so far.

  264. Truth is real on October 20, 2010 at 12:15 am said:

    Well, i feel bad for the utw staff personally, but hey….haters exist, it happens

  265. Good for you, guys. Just do whatever makes you feel most content with your releases.

  266. Shurakai on October 22, 2010 at 12:03 pm said:

    The world would become a better place if everyone suddenly became fluent in Japanese and all of the (fan-subber’s) woes would be solved…

  267. Orberon on October 22, 2010 at 5:23 pm said:

    HOLY SHIT is all this over a nickname WOW i really dont care what you call her biribiri,shocker or sparky call her what you want aslong as i can understand the subs and it is timed right im happy it is F.R.E.E with out fan subbers we all have to get off are asses to learn to read japanese to watch the anime on a side note some fansubbers keep doing shows when their licensed AND THAT AGAINST LAW so i give them props

  268. anonymous on October 23, 2010 at 3:24 pm said:

    >The world would become a better place if everyone suddenly became fluent in Japanese and all of the (fan-subber’s) woes would be solved…
    the world would become a better place if everyone suddenly started talking in english only. there would be no need for fansubbing since everyone would understand the animu without problems.
    there, fixed.

  269. AbOtaku on October 30, 2010 at 11:28 pm said:

    Nice and frank speech, dude.
    I’ve been confused for a while which fc I should follow for Index-II but now I decide to follow u guys.
    PS In my country the novel ver also use ‘sparky’ too not ‘biri biri’.

  270. Onanymouse:
    I know this is late, but your point was too ridiculous to pass up. Literally translating the names of characters based on what you hear? Come on, do you know ANYTHING about Japanese names? They don’t write based on phonetics; each name, despite their sound, is written using characters and based on those characters the names can have different meanings. So while hearing ‘Yuki’ one might think, ‘Snow’ because it’s the Japanese word for the object it could in fact be written as ‘Courage’ with that being the intended meaning!
    Japanese names aren’t as straightforward in their meanings like Western names, i.e. ‘Nathaniel’ will always mean ‘God has Judged’.
    Seriously, anime-fans these days are too uptight!

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    Part of the joy of watching anime is gleening pieces of Japaneese ways. Thank you for hard work and listening to what the fans asked.

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