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After a week or so of intense discussions (mostly not about this show), both the translator and editor concluded that make-up sucks, and that she (Script-chan) wasn’t the type of girl you’d wanna wake up next to sober, but with their help she may one day be that girl.
With any luck dead-ends, pit traps and guerillas won’t prevent us from catching up within the week.
Also this is based off Aniplex’s script.
A most highly appreciated and welcomed surprise!
Thanks for the release. 🙂
good, I guess this will make up for your faggotry for the past weeks.
So damn based
The hype is real! Thanks!
BASED
I’M CUMMING RIGHT NOW AHHH AHHH AHHH!!!
I just wake up and see this.
Tell me this isn’t a dream!
To be clear, as with Fate/Zero this is based on Aniplex’s script with (fairly heavy) TLC and editing.
It ended up being a fair bit of work for all involved, so we didn’t want to confim until we were sure everyone was on board. Hopefully we should be able to catch up by ep2 and maintain a regular release schedule from then on.
I had faith in you Xythar and you didn’t disappoint me! Thank you for doing this and so much HYPE!
You guys saved us from Commie’s shit subs.
>You guys saved us from Commie’s shit subs.
As much as I prefer UTW, there was nothing wrong with commie’s version.
ayy lmao
at long last
My prayers have been heard!
ANIME IS SAVED
BASED UTW
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
You guys are the best. Thanks for subbing this!
Can someone who have download this tell me whether they use BS11’s a not or?
You don’t know how happy I am now. Commie is okay but I still want you guys to sub it. It’s your namesake after all.
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ev0_MiRaClE, the encode is based off CR’s video (which is better quality than BS11).
>Commie is okay
TOOOOOOOOP
KEEEEEEEEEK
You know, I would have absolutely understood if you guys just decided to not do it…
But that you want to fansub this show really makes me happy. Thank you so very much.
Thank you. I’ve been putting off selecting a group for UBW in the hopes that UTW decided that you couldn’t not sub it.
Holy fuck is this really happening!? CR’s script was pretty subpar, so I appreciate this.
Is raze working on this, or is he still dead from Medschool?
Patience is my greatest virtue.
@topkek
I’m sure you can provide us with some evidence of commie being shit then…
Oh yeah that’s right you can’t
@a565 http://unanimated.xtreemhost.com/wall-of-shame/
Can we not turn this post into a fansub shit-flinging contest? Thanks.
@Welp
Yep nothing but a bunch of minor editing and typesetting mistakes accumulated over several years, most if not all of those later fixed by v2s.
You sure proved your point
is this CR edit or Original?
its a big huge surprise to hear that UTW finally sub fate
BIG THANKS!!!
Thank you! Question though…is there a 1080p version? I’ve been getting 1080p eps from HS.
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> CR’s script was pretty subpar, so I appreciate this.
CR translated “aoi to akai” (blue and red) as “blue and white”, “subpar” does not cover it. That’s like… basic shit. Very glad UTW is picking it up.
Well they know they messed up so bad that they released a v2. I’ve never seen a v2 from them before.
https://www.diffchecker.com/pefdiljl
Quite a lot of lines were fixed, so we’ll see if UTW uses that version to modify.
OMG… Is this real life?!?!
I fucking love you guys so much!!! =D =D =D
UTW for Fansubbers of the year! Even if this is using the Aniplex script, you guys still know how to please us. 🙂
@a565
Just a few days ago they put “smells like teen spirit” in for “it’s nice to be young” and thought is was a good idea to interpret the literal word “weapons” as pepper spray. Yeah, just keep telling yourself all their stupid shit is cherry picked over several years, I’m sure they appreciate you sucking their dicks so enthusiastically.
@a565
Besides the mis-translations or bad grammar (i’m french so i can’t really tell, but if english natives says so …), typesetting and stuff like that are important too.
They’re not the only group to do this, but they use a lot of fancy subtitles from hell that either makes my player/computer/GPU crash, or just skip the part where those subs appear. Wether i use an updated VLC, MPC, or any obscure player or older version, same problem. So i completely stopped watching their releases since i couldn’t watch JJBA properly (i even go as far as boycotting Yowamushi Pedal, which didn’t have a problem during its 1st season).
Keep in mind though, that i have the same complain for groups that try to sub every single piece of text on-screen with the exact same font, rotation, and size. What’s the point when people who don’t own the latest high-performance PC won’t be able to watch it (well, it does appear sometimes, for a few frames …) ?
And, of course, all that shit isn’t fixed in v2s or anything, unless everyone get a crash.
I can even drop UTW, no matter how much they exist for the sole purpose of providing good subs for the Fate franchise, and go back to Hatsuyuki or CR/HS, if they fall into that scheme and become unwatchable. But for now, i thank them for all their work, and let’s rewatch F/SN.
Thank you very much~
Saving this show, HS/Crunchy subs were horrible.
@dawdawd
>Just a few days ago they put “smells like teen spirit” in for “it’s nice to be young”
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s called liberal translation, “it’s nice to be young” is also a liberal translation of what was actually said but you don’t seem to have a problem with that. Probably something to do with your bias.
>and thought is was a good idea to interpret the literal word “weapons” as pepper spray.
Haven’t watched that specific episode of that specific show, but I’m sure that was an acceptable translation in the context of the show.
I’m going to ignore the rest of your post since it was all ad hominem.
@BKF
>Besides the mis-translations or bad grammar (i’m french so i can’t really tell, but if english natives says so …), typesetting and stuff like that are important too.
But their typesetting is almost always excellent.
>They’re not the only group to do this, but they use a lot of fancy subtitles from hell that either makes my player/computer/GPU crash, or just skip the part where those subs appear. Wether i use an updated VLC, MPC, or any obscure player or older version, same problem. So i completely stopped watching their releases since i couldn’t watch JJBA properly (i even go as far as boycotting Yowamushi Pedal, which didn’t have a problem during its 1st season).
I watch most of their stuff on my HTPC without a gpu and a G3258 processor. Never had any issues.
Try CCCP.
Thank you!
Fate/Stay series just aren’t the same without your subtitles!
Thank you so much! I spent my days hoping you guys would take the job and hell it was worh it!
Commie isn’t so bad. Actually, I too believe that it’s ok. Way better than Hatsuyuki, at least.
Anyways, none of that matters: UTW saves the day.
Woohoo! Best show of the season by the best crew. Life is good =D
Thanks for the ep.
Let’s see. Who can I trust more?
Shirt or Script-chan?
The group’s name is based on this very work. It’d be weird if UTW didn’t sub UBW.
Fucking great. CRs subs are shit and commie is suitably terrible. Good to see some subs that probably aren’t done by retards.
>UBW Ep 00 is out
“Hey guys, UBW is finally out! We can stop rioting now!
…
…
STEVE! GET BACK HERE WITH MY TV!”
I’m really glad to be able to enjoy this series with your subs!^^
Thank you very much for make it!
BASED UTW
My patience paid off… I finally can start to get rid of HorribleSubs’ horrible thing.
Sounds like you should be using Deadfish yo
^
@BKF
fapping my saber! ;p
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Thank you all so much!! I can’t even begin to express how happy I was to see this. Even slapped myself just to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating.
I hope you idiots finally shut up now that your beloved group decided you’re too annoying.
Thank you UTW, I’ll keep your release for archival purposes and possibly rewatching.
This is beyond amazing, thank you so much!
Oh god so you all decided to do it ? Great!
Thanks a lot UTW 😀
No ddl?
Thanks for doing it.
awww yiiisssss!
I’ve been waiting for this moment 😀
Thanks utw. I can live with a terrible translation… But when something this visually appealing appears, crunchy’s encode won’t cut it. I was hoping even without a translator we could at least get a quality encode. But you guys one upped my expectations and managed to put out an edited script AND an encode <3 at least I'm assumignit was edited since it says based off of….
Thank you all so much for subbing UBW!
Completely based.
7:19 “You’re an early riser, Tohsaka.”
Really? Doesn’t “You’re here early.” make more sense here? Shirou from what we can gather is often at school this early, whereas Tohsaka as we clearly find out is not a morning person, so it’s rare for her to be at school as early as she is. So calling her an early riser on the first day he sees her at school this early doesn’t really make a lot of sense.
Thanks so much for the subs!
Thanks guys! I knew I could trusted you. BTW, mind telling me what font you used?
SEIBAH!
YES
YES
YES
Thanks UTW
@Spencer
Sorry to spoil your party, but this is a reencoded CR video.
Why no BS11?
Because CR is a much cleaner source.
They both suck, just CR somewhat less the majority of the time.
THANK YOU UTW
Thanks, glad you decided to do this one.
I always had faith that you’d pull through.
Script-chan route when?
Good news. Thanks for picking up this show!
thanks so much guys!
Thank you UTW! The only source of Type-Moon translation I could trust!
I love u UTW
This is really great news! Now I can feel confident that the subs will actually be good! Thanks so much for doing this UTW! ^^
With that said, constructive criticism where constructive criticism is due…: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/95883
Some detail loss there. In particular, the bottom part of Rin’s are nearly gone, fading into the wall. :-/ Still, at least it’s WORLD’S better than what Hatsuyuki did:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=94558
*the bottom part of Rin’s legs*
Thanks a lot.
I heard that there are actually longer versions (several minutes) of ep. 00 and 01 which were shown in preview events/cinema’s. Which means that those will be available on the Blu-ray’s.
Hopefully you’ll be able to work on these and some of the extras. No rush, of course.
Yay! UTW steps up to the plate again! Excellent work! I’ll be looking forward to the rest of it throughout the season. I know it’s not that great, but I felt inspired to at least take a stab at a tribute to your hard work:
“I am the pen of my translation
Scripts are my body, and signs are my blood
I have subbed over a thousand shows
Unknown to Trolls, nor known to Praise
Have withstood Flamers to create many files
Yet, those hands will never know rest
So as I pray, Unlimited Translation Works!”
Keep up the great work!
( •̀ •́)σ And there ye have it! (*＾-‘) 乃
@Rokudaime
Yeh, unfortunately even CR’s video is pretty weak due to bitrate starvation. Doesn’t take much to lose any soft detail in lower contrast areas, especially in combination with debanding (cr’s video has a ton of banding sadly). It’s nearly impossible to losslessly re-encode dark areas from fairly lossy video (even crunchyrolls 1080p is only ~3mbps which has some real major edge detail retention issues which leads to automatic generation loss pretty much in dark areas). In this case it’s better to throw away some detail which isn’t really noticeable to improve the video where you can notice it.
@Rokudaime
They do sacrifice a little of the extra detail but like here
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/95918
The banding is most all gone as you can see on the left wall and I would much rather want that for a small price of extra detailing which will of course be there when the BD’s are out.
will you guys be releasing in 1080p?
” Also this is based off Aniplex’s script. ”
~ Them JAPs sure like to use some fancy words… ┐(￣ー￣)┌
When will be the episode 1?
Thank You!
Thank you very much for subbing this. While I doubt I’ll have the patience to wait and see your versions first, I will gladly rewatch each episode for UTW quality.
YESSS!!! BASED UTW, YOU ARE GODS.
Based UTW saving us from the white man and the blue man.
@Aegir:
That is the 2nd best thing I’ve seen today!
I really liked the “You’re an early riser, Tohsaka” translation. Other translations just make it seem like Shirou thinks she is a slob who never gets up early when he’s really just nervous and blurted out whatever came first.
There is a lot of little things like this you guys do which really make you the best out there. Can’t wait for more.
Thank you very much UTW. It feels like everything is finally coming full circle. If this will be one of the final projects of the group, it’s very much fitting.
The wait is no more. Highly appreciated!
Thank You UTW .. you are the best
@archdevil917 They’ve said they’ll try to catch up ASAP, within the week, I suggest we be patient and stop asking for now.
Amen, Hallelujah, and Peanut Butter.
@ar
Understood. And there’s always the BD’s anyway. Assuming you’ll be doing those? I sure hope you will…
@Irie
Didn’t know you posted on UTW’s site Irie. 😛
Oh look, they delivered. I-it’s not as if I was w-waiting for y’all to translate this. B-baka.
Thanks UTW! I dun mind if you guys are gonna be releasing later or anything cause i trust you guys.
Oh you’re going to translate this series? Thank God! Crunchyroll won’t do this series justice and lot’s of fans on /a can wait. CR is careless and liberal as fuck, as usual, and worst of all they take guesses to “localize” when they don’t even know the series. They’re being paid and yet they can’t even translate “Oniichan” correctly! Do they need help finding a dictionary for that?!
http://i62.tinypic.com/feqngo.png
To each his own… Thnx for subbing UBW UTW!! ȏ.̮ȏ
But “mister” is a total acceptable translation in that case, because japanese have the tendency to use family member pronouns when talking to complete strangers, and Shirou doesn’t know anything about Illya at that point of the story, so that is the only meaning he would infer.
While I agree that “mister” is generally acceptable as a translation of “oniichan” when using it to talk to (in this case seemingly) complete strangers, I have two points:
1) The translation is not meant for Shirou, it is meant for the viewers, which means it’s not that relevant if he knows who she is or not
2) Whether the viewer knows who Ilya is or not is also not so relevant, what is relevant is that she knows what the relationship between her and Shirou is, which makes “little brother” a more accurate translation in this particular case, since she’s the one saying it and teasing him deliberately.
Of course, it can also always be left as “oniichan”, which allows each viewer to interpret it as he/she sees fit and is not uncommon in fansubs.
Citations please on “use family member pronouns when talking to strangers”. That’s surprising news to me.
We’re not watching the show as Shirou though, only through his perspective. You’ll be correct if Shirou himself questioned the whole thing, then you can say he thought Illya called him mister. Since Illya was the one who said it, you may as well infer her meaning literally “big brother” or as I would have preferred “Onii-chan”.
But alas, if we don’t like it, we have UTW now to save the day ~
wooohh!!!
great!!
i’ve been waiting for UTW to sub this..
i wish the episode 1 of this will be upload sooner, and the next episodes to come will be uploaded earlier..
good job guys!!
Been checking this site any day, hopelessly dreaming that I’d see a UBW post. Nearly fell off my share in shock when I saw one.
Such a UTW fanboy. I swear, it’s like I go into an episode feeling like it’s better when I download from this website, while HorribleSubs/CR always leaves a bad taste in my mouth before I even start. Probably wouldn’t have ever watched something like Fate Kaleid Prisma Ilya if it wasn’t UTW subbed. =P
So damn happy you guys picked this series up.
@Friendly point
“Ojisan” means uncle.
Watch any anime that has people related and not related and tell me how often this word comes up.
What alot of people dont seem to understand is that the meaning changes based on *context*. In the case of that image above, “mister” is a more….right translation compared to “brother”.
Would YOU call a random stranger “dearest brother”? Looks at this random Steins;Gate video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bf0aYBk0OQ
Note he used “mister”. If it werent for the English, he likely would’ve used “onii-san” or “ojisan”
I am still not sure if I will watch it or wait for the BDs like I always do for everything TYPE-MOON related… but I am sure I will download everything from you guys. Thanks a lot.
@Nachbar But she is a slob when it comes to waking up. The translation lacks context “You’re here early” makes more sense.
Oh cool, I somehow missed this over the IM@S hype.
Although I don’t get it, do you mean to say translator-kun, script-chan and editor-san aren’t from UTW? Or that they’re doing this reluctantly?
Just a simple “Thank you very much!”
YES! All hail Nasu! Glory to Ufotable and UTW! This is going to be an awesome season! 😀
“Is this the real life, or is this just fantasy?”
I must be dreaming. Something this great can’t possibly be real, right?
Oh God, it is! Thank you based, UTW. I’m completely grateful for this.
I’ve never seen anything from this franchise before. Is this a good show to start with?
thank you so much for doing this!! I kept holding off watching this until it was sure you didnt get to do this cuz fate must be watched by utw. Now i can finally hype for real!! thank you!
Play the VN.
Wow! Thanks guys.
MY SAVIORS ARE BACK IN ACTION.
I love you guys so much UTW staff, even Raze although he’s not working on this! I know I have already said this before, but I still can’t say it enough… Thank You!!
Are those good subs or crap like Illya subs?
Plz. Our Ilya subs were fabulous besides a few minor things we missed.
As much as I’ve raggedin the past,the Early riser thing is minor potatoes in the end,especially since it can be passed on as Shirou being “nice” to Rin and not mocking her for being unusually earlylike every single other person did. I’meven half-tempted to see what the actual line was in the VN (if just to refresh mymemory of the game).
May I add, you don’t have to feel forcedto dothis if you indeed don’t want to workon anything but it’s nice of you to bring this to us leechers even if we may not deserve it (what with the constant complaining).
I may add,I already find they’ve been leaps and bounds above DEEN in some details with this adaptation. Episode One even nailed exactly what Lancer’s lance is supposed to do. Without going into spoiler territory, they keep that up and this will likely please most watchers.
For what?
Crunchy > you.
We don’t need wannabies subs.
^ Troll level 0. Try again later.
I am a dickhead who sucks CR’s cock.
Thanks for the subs! And lol @ all the pathetic trolls in these comments.
0/10 at least come up with better bait.
No better bait than jailbait.
“0/10 at least come up with better bait.”
Is it even necessary?
It’s just CR edit, nothing special here.
Just go with official subs and you will be fine.
Please stop using these bitrate starved raws of crunchyroll.
CR video > BS 11.
Yes, I’m serious.
LotusGG, you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
What the hell? For once I am disappointed with UTW’s subs. You guys actually made it worse than CR. I’m sticking with CR from now on.
Commie > UTW. Ain’t nobody got time to wait a week for your subs.Plus UTW was only good because of Raze who’s now retired.
notsureifsrs because all of UTW is good!
Anyways… Are you able to provide an update on the status of UBW 01 and let us know if UBW 02 should still be on track? 😀
We don’t need you anymore.
Go kill yourself or start working for Crunchyroll.
1 still needs TLC, 2 will be edited when it airs but will also need TLC. Both this coming week, I hope.
I will never understand why translating groups hate each other. Ignore the young ones and keep up the good work.
The groups themselves don’t hate each other for the most part. 95% of the shit-flinging comes from their “fans”.
Yay thanks UTW I was waiting for this take your time 😀 Ill wait as much time you deem right
I keep throwing my money at the screen, but it won’t accept it.
So glad you guys are doing this.
Out of curiousity, would it be possible to list the staff working on Fate this time, since it isn’t the original group? Or would that just cause more trolls to come out from wherever the hell they come from?
I want to thank you guys for working your asses off to translate this show. The gradients look nicer with your encoding and the translation is way less clunky. I compared your translations side by side with Commie’s CR rip the other day and by the 5 minute mark was convinced that CR translators only possess a fifth-grade reading level. Yours is so much nicer, and for the first time ever I could actually understand the summoning incantation that Rin uses. I’ve known about the ten sephiroth and kabbalah stuff for a long time and yet the references to it in the summoning were so badly translated in other versions that it went right over my head until now.
Please ignore all the trolls, they have no self esteem and are threatened by people with genuine ability.
If you’re really concerned about HS stealing all the downloads, you might consider starting a counter-campaign on /a/ to educate people about the amount of work you put into your releases and why they’re superior to HS. Hatsuyuki are already pimping out their version of UBW over there and HS is constantly trolling with lies about how they translate. It’s doing a lot of damage because there are so many newcomers that are completely ignorant on the board.
And even if the torrent downloads seem low, keep in mind a lot of people with shitty ISPs get your subs DDL from animetosho and animesharing.
Also I don’t mind -kun and -sempai being included in the subs since there is no equivalent in English to convey the nuance, but for the love of God, please don’t leave oniichan untranslated like some people are suggesting. Mister or big bro are both better than leaving it untranslated.
Am I the only one that is starting to suspect Crunchyroll is actively coordinating a smear campaign in the comments for this the last bastion of good fansubbing?
Translating onii-chan as mister would be inaccurate – contrary to your fantasies, little girls in Japan do not call older strangers on the street “onii-chan”. “Big bro” is not as inaccurate, but isn’t what a secluded girl/woman like Ilya would use. Seriously, if you can’t handle/grasp/understand “onii-chan” by now, you should probably watch more chinese cartoons.
@Xythar You hit that nail right on the head there. It’s honestly rather funny to see people throwing shit everywhere just because ‘one is better than the other’ or other subjective rants.
Personally, I am very very happy to see UTW actually doing this series. I was going to give up on the possibility of you guys doing this since everyone has their own tastes and their own lolrealliveslol.
You have made this one a very very happy guy. 🙂 I’ll be comparing it to CR and Hatsuyuki since Commie has a long/bad track record.
Also, is the fan translations of the game that bad? I never questioned it too much when I played it but the guys at commie say they are shit and I’m rather curious about that. I’ve never really had reason to doubt Taka-Jun, as he’s always been pretty damn on par with his translations of Nasu’s works, esp the Kara no Kyoukai movies and the Melty Blood games. 😡
@narhse_delvar
Hatsuyuki’s video source is eye cancer. It’s worse than the CR raw that UTW and Commie are using.
@Oort watch more than five shows before posting on the internet you weeaboo. Into the trash it goes.
I love you guys so much for doing this! I have all of your Type-moon stuff, and I was hoping so much for your UBW subs, now I can REJOICE, I don’t care if your version comes later, you are the only ones I trust with this kind of quality.
Is there a particular reason you changed up the translation for the summoning? The three times I’ve seen your translation for that, it’s been the same. Why the change now?
SIlencing the ONIICHAN debate once and for all:
Japanese Ways of Addressing People
Norie Mogi
Institute of Linguistics, UAM
The use of family terms
Family terms are a popular kind of address form in daily life and they are also used vocatively.
Higa (1976: 109-110) suggests the use of forms of address reflects the complication of the Japanese
society, especially family terms, because, family terms can also be used in more flexible ways than
in some European languages9. Kinship terms are often employed for addressing someone, who is
not a member of one’s family, including complete strangers, and if the speaker does not know the
referent’s name. This sort of use of family terms is known as fictive use (Suzuki 1973: 158). The
fictive use of family terms seems to have some rules, such as all family terms cannot be employed
for referring to someone. Also, those family terms, which show lower in hierarchy than a speaker,
such as younger sister, younger brother, my daughter, my son, my wife, and so on, cannot be used
vocatively even though they can be used to refer to a person. Vocative use means term of respect
but those terms mentioned above does not indicate showing respect but rather humbling.
Accordingly, they are inappropriate for vocative use.
Kunihiro (1977:26) argues that the fictive use of family terms is unlikely to appear in the US.
For instance, when the Japanese call a waitress, they often use onee-san “elder sister”, and they call
a waiter onii-san “elder brother”. Onee-san can be an elder sister, someone’s elder sister, an elder
sister in-law, a young female neighbour, who is older than the speaker, and a shop assistant. Onii-san can be used in the same manner as onee-san. It does not matter whether a speaker knows the
addressee or the referent or not, family terms are employed.
also see this: http://senseis.xmp.net/?JapaneseNameSuffix
Now you can all stop being so incredibly ignorant about this. It’s called FICTIVE USE and it’s incredibly common. “Big brother” is the literal translation, but anyone with even a single year of Japanese class under their belt knows that literal translations often suck. The most appropriate localized translation for English is “Mister,” which English-speaking children commonly use to refer to elder strangers.
@Cyou
Because different people are working on the show.
@Longcoat:
Your argument has a basic failure: Shirou is NOT a stranger to Illya. What you’re saying is correct and I can imagine a translator thinking the same way, but when someone knows source material it’s clear that “mister” is not an accurate translation.
@Reddie:
Well, if you consider the source material you would know that Ilya is actually OLDER than Shiro is, in which case using “onii-chan” as a form of familial recognition would be incorrect, instead she would say “Otouto.” How do we know Ilya is older than Shiro? Simple: she was born 8 years prior to the events of Fate/Zero, and Fate/Stay Night takes place 10 years after Fate/Zero does. Ilya is 18 years old, and as a Japanese 2nd year high school student, Shiro would most likely be 17 years old given that the events of F/SN happen in early February, making Shiro 2 months away from becoming a 3rd year student.
@dbull620
Oniichan would not reflect the age difference, granted, but it would reflect her imuoto-like attitude towards Shirou, which is futher explored in VN. Adding to this that she knows about Shirou being Kiritsugu’s foster son, I find familial meaning of “Oniichan” to be most natural here.
@Reddie & dbull620
You’re both wrong. Yes, Illya is not a stranger to Shirou in the familial sense, and yes is in fact older than Shirou. However, at this point the show, neither Shirou nor the audience know this. There’s this thing called context, and its something that matters whenever you’re trying to translate any language effectively. Please consider ALL of it next time.
There’sindeed the subject of context BUT there’s also the double entendre in which the the word is used. She’s using the word both because it means brother and because it can be used to refer unrelated people. Plus, she IS indeed playing thelittle sister role,she does it to a tee in a lot of her appearances.
That said,it’s up to the translator what context to use. Sadly things like wordplays and such can be lost in translation and it’s indeed better tojustchoose what’smore appropiate for the context at hand. Besides,most peoplewhodo notice already know enough to pick up short words or phrases and those who can’t won’treally be losing out much, unless it’s an essentialpiece of information and not justcleverly disguised foreshadowing.
Hey guys, I was so hyped to hear about this series, and I was genuinely upset when I thought you wouldn’t be taking this one on. I’ve been off anime for awhile and I really wanted something great to bring myself back in. This is just perfect. I love Fate, and you guys are hands down the best subgroup there is in terms of quality. I’ll be waiting for your releases!
Not to be annoying, but can someone please update the projects page? For one I’d be really interested in knowing who’s working on this show, and for two it feels so weird seeing out-of-date project pages. ‘-‘ Thanks in advance and of course for this release as well. I’m really glad you guys decided to work on this.
@dbull620
Aaahhhh don’t say that !
“This is a work of fiction. All settings in this story are fictional and have no connection to any real individuals or organizations. All characters appearing in this game are over 18 of age.”
It’s written when you launch the VN. Don’t destroy the myth !
Btw the translation of Illya’s Oni-Chan is quite difficult. I wouldn’t know myself how to handle it because like Mirage said, it’s a typical Japanese worldplay …
It would be quite difficult for me to handle if Ilya’s in front of me and starts calling me Onii-chan.
@KG implying you wouldn’t know exactly what to do if Ilya existed in real life and called you her Onii-chan.
The translating of Oniichan is a doozy because there is no proper equivalent in the English language for this kind of double meaning.
Considering that Ilya being Shirou’s adoptive sister through Kiritsugu is supposed to be a big reveal to the audience, having her call him “Big Brother” right away would really spoil things, since in English, children simply do not call strangers by family terms. In the context of the English language, if Ilya calls Shirou “Big Brother” there is only one logical conclusion the audience can make, namely, that Ilya really is his sister. So right away, newcomers to Fate will assume they are related somehow, and the later reveal will lose its intended impact.
Because of this, I think the lesser of two evils is to translate Onii-chan as Mister. While the dual meaning will be lost, this is unavoidable either way, and at least by using Mister the later reveal of her actually being his sister is left intact for the dramatic effect Nasu was going for. I think this is the most faithful way you can translate it to at least preserve the dramatic function of this part of the story.
@Longcoat: And this is precisely why I wasn’t even sure why people kept bitching about it. I could see se the whole shitstorm about “Clo” in Prysma, because people get really picky about nickname-changing and such (it happened in Railgun with Sparky lol), but going nuts for something as smallas this “mister” makes me wonder if perhaps people will only be happy if they see a bunch of japanese phrases and words in the actual subs, rather than proper translations.
So I have never watched any FS/N stuff or done the games.
What order should I start going about this clusterf**k of variable quality?
@Anony Fate stay night > Fate stay night UBW movie > Fate/prototype > Fate/zero > Fate Kaleid Prisma Illya & zwei > Fate stay night Unlimited Blade Works TV
2 episodes are already released… I love you guys and watched every fate anime you translated, but don’t make me experience yibis all over again xD
@Anony: Recommendedation would be:
* F/SN Visual novel > whatever you want
If you want to go mostly anime:
* F/SN Visual novel Fate Route Only > Fate/Stay night: UBW (this one) > Fate/Stay night: Heaven’s Feel movie(not out yet) > Fate/Zero
If you want to go anime only:
*Fate/Stay night: UBW (this one) > Fate/Stay night: Heaven’s Feel movie(not out yet) > Fate/Zero
You will miss out on the Fate route with the last option, you could watch the old Fate/stay night(2006) anime for this but they did put Heaven’s Feel spoilers in it so i don’t know if i would recommend you to watch it before HF, It’s kinda meh as well.
The Unlimited Blade Works movie(2010) Should be pretty much pointless with this anime airing.
@Anony
Contrary to others, I would recommend starting with 2006 Fate/stay night anime adaptation. It received a lot of bashing from VN fans, but many people new to Nasuverse liked it. You’ll get a general idea of what this is all about. 2006 anime sorta retells one of 3 routes from VN and this one is adaptation of second route. Of course if you’ll ready to read VN, this will give you best coverage available. Then comes Fate/Zero, it’s a prequel for VN and anime alike. Then you can watch just about anything.
I would not recommend UBW movie, it has so rushed pacing that even people who knew VN had trouble getting what’s going on.
@Anony:
Fate/Zero -> a wikipedia summary of the Fate route -> This ->Heaven’s Feel movies as they come out.
The UBW movie was ok but it’s not as good as this is. The Fate arc in the VN is terrible and really only exists to 1:go into Saber’s backstory, and 2:provide something for UBW and HF to subvert–and then the anime makes it worse.
But in any case, Fate/Zero is easily the best standalone material (the only thing from F/SN that rivals it is Heaven’s Feel and HF isn’t standalone AT ALL), so you should watch it first. You won’t quite appreciate how detailed and sweeping Nasu’s vision was in making F/SN if you go with F/Z first, but on the other hand you’ll understand what’s going on without having to play/watch the Fate route, which, as I’ve mentioned, is really bad. Most of Saber’s angst in F/SN is clear from F/Z.
(Look Fate is basically Shirou being a chivalrous asshat to Saber for like the first 30 hours, and then realizing what an ass he’s been in the last five minutes and apologizing as she fades into nothingness. The anime made it worse, but it was unpleasant to sit through even in the VN.)
Also siding with the “mister” translation. When Shirou hears it, that’s what he assumes it means, even if Illya *actually* means “big bro”.
when is next episode cuming out?
I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!
What if Illya called Shirou “Bro”? That could be used to refer to both an actual brother and a complete stranger.
….Hey, it fits her Tiger Dojo personality……
@whitehelm the problem with that is, Ilya’s canon character (ie not 4th-wall Ilya) is very aristocratic and proper because she’s been so sheltered by the Einzberns. She mocks Tohsaka at one point for being only a poser, if I remember correctly. She would never use a slang term of the vulgar masses like “bro” to refer to someone, it wold be out of character for her.
Also if people want to ask what order they should be watching Fate in, they need to go to /a/. People have been making threads with that same question all week and receiving ten different answers each time. Don’t sh*t up UTW’s comments section with 4chan-caliber spam. Part of me thinks Anony was a troll to begin with.
Actually it seems Anony linked his name to 4chan.org as his website, so yeah, he didn’t even bait the hooks and still managed to catch four of you.
@Mayhem
Now, that’s finally a valid argument. I’d think of other translation than “mister”, maybe less literal, to better portray the situation. Something along the lines of “little boy” or idk, just “boy”.
@Longcoat
I think he just wants to stay anon and hence the link. Nothing wrong with that, unless proven otherwise.
@Reddie Mayhem’s argument was posted previously by, ironically, CR’s Advocate of all people. This conversation is beginning to descend into infinite regress. I agree with him for a similar line of reasoning.
@everyone having trouble with the onii-chan translation issue:
Let us place the whole argument in the framework of what Nasu, the author, was trying to accomplish dramatically in this scene. To put it another way, let’s consider what kind of reaction Nasu was anticipating from his audience the first time they read the VN. What kind of dramatic effect was he trying to achieve?
For the original Japanese audience, the first time they read through Fate/Stay Night and got to the part where Ilya passes Shirou on the street and refers to him as onii-chan, the Japanese readers would have assumed she was using it in the fictive sense (referring to elder strangers in a respectful way). This would be their default conclusion since they don’t know that Ilya knows Shirou, they only know that Shirou does not know Ilya. The Japanese readers would have placed significance on Ilya’s warning to summon the servant, but would not have ascribed any significance to her using “onii-chan” as it’s use is very common in the presented context.
Later on in the story, when it is revealed to Shirou and to the reader that Ilya is, in fact, Shirou’s sister through Kiritsugu, then suddenly the Japanese readers would have recalled that first encounter on the street and realized that “onii-chan” carried much greater significance than they first assumed. This is a paradigm shift, for both Shirou and the audience. It is at this moment, and not before, that the audience is meant to realize they are brother and sister. This way, Shriou’s shock and the audience’s shock are simultaneous, and the audience can empathize with what Shirou is feeling, emotionally putting themselves in Shirou’s shoes. This is basically the whole point of the VN being written in first-person perspective and not in third-person omniscient. This is why Igyman’s argument that it doesn’t matter what Shirou knows is BS. What Shirou knows and what the audience knows are supposed to be identical, they are experiencing the world through his eyes.
Reducing all this to the simple terms of essential narrative function, you can say that Nasu wrote it like this:
1) Shirou meets a strange girl for the first time. The girl refers to Shirou with a term that children commonly use to refer to elder strangers in a respectful manner.
2) The audience and Shirou see the girl as a stranger, and take note that for some unknown reason she has taken an interest in Shirou. How mysterious.
3) Time passes. We learn that the girl is Ilya von Einzbern, another master.
4) Shirou and audience discover that Ilya was Kiritsugu’s daughter. Surprise ensues. New significance is bestowed on their first encounter. I c wut u did there, Nasu.
This is the big picture, and the context which so many commenters here are failing to grasp. In order to preserve / be faithful to the dramatic effect Nasu originally intended for this sequence of events, you cannot translate onii-chan to “big brother,” or any other term which forces the audience to conclude early on that they are related. It is too soon for that revelation and would destroy the dramatic effect. You must use a term that children would commonly use to refer to elder strangers in a respectful way. In Ilya’s case, you must also consider that Ilya is an aristocrat who doesn’t use slang. In English, there is only one term that fits the bill, and that is “mister.”
@Reddie you can’t use little boy because onii-chan is only ever used to refer to older brothers or older stangers. Translating it to younger brother or little brother or little boy is objectively wrong (the Japanese term would be “otouto” otherwise) and is also disrespectful, so it’s completely out of context. “Boy” is also disrespectful. “Young man” would not be disrespectful, but again, it is objectively wrong, and it loses the dual meaning of onii-chan, so how is it any better than just using “mister?”
There is no English equivalent to onii-chan in this context. You cannot retain the dual meaning when you translate it to English. That is all there is to it and there is no use crying over something that can’t be changed. Mister is the closest translation there is, no other term is appropriate.
I can only pray to the translation gods that UTW’s translators are more intelligent than all the weebs in the comments section. People like igyman and oort make me lose a little bit of faith in humanity.
I think you’re right, but since we’re using honorifics and senpai/sensei anyway, I’m in favour of just dodging the issue by using “onii-chan”. It’s what Raze would do, anyway.
Longcoat: I was joking, that’s why I made the Tiger Dojo comment. I probably should’ve tossed a *wink* or something in there, it’s hard to get emotional context across. Personally I prefer honorifics not be translated.
I agree with whitehelm, prefer them as they are, Shirou-kun, Onii-chan and such… everyone is already accustomed to those, being literal with translation or finding synonyms just prolongs this discussion. Its all up to the sub group preference, mine is to leave them be as they are, please, Onii-chan~
Yea, pretty much waiting your release, hopefully you will release them before 3rd ep comes out >.<
@Xythar
What about people who don’t know any Japanese in spite of watching subs? Leaving it completely untranslated will confuse the hell out of them. Trust me, these people do exist. I introduced anime to a friend a year ago and we watch stuff together regularly. I’m still explaining to him what basic Japanese words like oniichan mean. (I had to explain sempai to him.) There are probably others like him. They shouldn’t have to reach for a Japanese-to-English dictionary to understand what Ilya said.
And then there are those who know enough Japanese to know that oniichan means big brother, but don’t know about fictive use (quite a few commenters a couple pages back). They will just assume Ilya is Shirou’s little sister. They won’t get the dual meaning and will end up spoiling for themselves the reveal through ironic coincidence.
Not to mention, leaving it untranslated is just going to give other groups and their insane fans (ie Commie, HS) legitimate ammunition against UTW. I mean, if you leave it untranslated, you by definition are not translating. That would be a shame considering how much better the translation for everything else is over other groups’ releases. I live and die by UTW but that would be really disappointing. I know I probably sound OCD about this but it just bugs me to think that UTW’s MAL entry for Fate is going to explode with red lines containing the word “onii-chan.”
Completely different train of thought, but am I the only one who would vomit buckets if Crispin Freeman voices Kirei again in the dub? His casting pissed me off so much with Fate / Zero. Why even bother to dub it if they’re not going to attempt to be faithful to the original voices? Jamieson Price is no Nakata, but he was a much better choice than Freeman.
Yeah, I’ve said myself that in general one should try to make translations as inclusive as possible, but UTW has a pretty firmly established style and audience already, so it’s more important for me to stick to that in this case. It works both ways – one could just as easily say that by translating it, I could drive the more extreme believers towards Hatsuyuki (which is much worse, imo). Either way, we might as well go all one way or the other.
In the end, I’d like to think it’s not really a big deal.
(－＂－怒)
Is there anything Xythar doesn’t edit? It’s near impossible to avoid this guy in the fan-subbing scene. I have nothing against UTW, however this guy has made so many releases pure hell for me to read.
@Onii-chan: Strange. And I thought his releases were really good. How could I be so blind to not see the obvious!?
Also in favor of just keeping it as oniichan.
Btw, what about the town districts Shinto and Miyama? Will you keep the names or translate them?
There’s just so much one can do to pass the time… ﾆﾔ(･∀･)ﾆﾔ
Upboat fotc for UBW TL! 😀
I get blamed for a lot of things, which is interesting because I don’t think people have any way of knowing what lines I am or am not responsible for without looking at the original pads.
@synced: We’re keeping the names Shinto and Miyama (which is actually at odds with previous translations, but the staff agreed it was best this way).
@Enz
We won’t really be announcing staff for this because of “reasons”. I’ll update the project pages though when I get some time/am bothered.
wut animu’s that from fotc ~sama…?
Will trade THIS for information… 😉
Daitoshokan no Hitsujikai
Also >style
@UTW
I just want to know that you guys are still going to finish this series and not drop it. Also, are you going to do the BD release for this as well? I can bear with watching horrible subs or commie in the meantime but I would want to archive the BD release from you guys.
I agree with bray, Im still waiting for you guys to at least announce that you are willing to do it or not, and how is going. 3rd episode will be released soon and we don’t want to suffer from those 2 speedsubs. Quality >>>>> Speed, though you are still pretty late with relases than usual.
@bray & Swede
Why would they announce now if they are going to to the BD’s or not? That’s something to consider/think about once they’re done with the TV releases. They might know how they feel about the matter at this point in time. Also, even if UTW does not do the BD’s, there is always a chance that some other group will do the BD’s using UTW’s subs.
The blurays have already been confirmed to have extra scenes. People are too lazy for that.
Thank you so very much Xythar~sensei…! 🙂 And hopes that UTW continuous to sub animu for years to come…
にゃあ〜 =＾● ⋏ ●＾=
Why the fuck is it taking you lazy fucks so long to get the subs done? Ep 1/2 still not even subbed and ep 3 is out tomorrow. EPIC FAIL! Don’t give a fuck how good the translations are if you take 2 years to get one episode out.
Stick with Commie.
By rights, the TLC doesn’t really have time to work on this, but we’re pulling through anyway because it’d be a shame for UTW to fade away without subbing their namesake.
While we will try to catch up, episodes will ultimately get done on a “whenever people have time to finish them” basis. If you don’t like it, nobody’s forcing you to stick around and wait.
If you don’t want to wait, just watch it elsewhere. CR is your best option in terms of speed.
There’s no point in coming here to complain. Not everyone is free to sub Chinese cartoons for the rest of their lives.
Thanks for your hardwork guys ! Really appreciate it ;).
Unlimited Translation Works !
Goober STFU. UTW does a better job than CR and Commie put together and their release is worth waiting. They do it for free and aren’t entitled to you. Stay with your failtastic Commie subs you retarded manchild. Their subs cater dumb fucks like you.
@Bystander
The trolls.
Do not feed them.
@Bystander
Wow, slow down Edgemeister.
“Goober STFU. UTW does a better job than CR and Commie put together and their release is worth waiting.”
lolno.
Maybe few years ago or smth.
It’s not even original TL now… just crunchy edit.
No thx.
Fate/Zero too wasn’t an original TL as far as I know, but UTW’s releases were still better than others.
Nah, this is pretty fucking ridiculous. If you’ve got such lax time restraints, why even sub it as it’s coming out? I wanted to stick with you guys because I’m not fussed about time but you might as well hold out and just sub the BDs at this rate. Yeah, the group’s winding down, but that’s all the more reason to give one last push instead of screwing over your fans.
There is nothing lax about it. I’ve been so busy over the last couple weeks dealing with two double episodes on top of everything else I need to do that I’ve barely had any time to spare. Would I like to just say fuck it, put everything off for BDs, and get back like 10+ hours of my life every week? Sure, and I’m pretty sure the rest of the team felt the same way, but given that BD projects have about a 1% chance of being finished when they’re not just shifting TV scripts, I thought we’d better try and at least get the episodes out to you as they were done. Clearly this was screwing you over, so my apologies.
That’s also why I’ve spent the last four hours or so going over the script for the third time with the TLC instead of just going to sleep already so that I can finally get episode 1 out tomorrow before waking up at 6am the next day to get ep3 edited before other shit comes up.
You want one last push? You’re looking at it. Wait or don’t, but get some perspective instead of acting like a petulant child when the most you need to do is sit around while other people do the work.
Not gonna lie Xythar, but I’ve always had a bit of a biased opinion towards you and Commie because of one Dark_Sage, despite the prick he is 99% of the time. However, Commie is pretty decent when they don’t troll (reminds of gg subs, along with their divisive fanbase) and I really have to commend all your effort in helping UTW defend their namesake. Kudos to you and the motley crew formed to work on this, what I hope to be, amazing anime. Don’t overwork yourselves and definitely ignore the trolls!
Thanks. I’m hoping we can catch up once these double episodes are out of the way, but yeah, can’t make any promises.
Hey Xythar, just wanna say I really am grateful that you and the team are putting all this effort into UBW. I definitely would be extremely tempted to say “wait for BDs” if I was in your position. So thanks again for pushing through. ~
So yeah 1st set of BDs confirmed for May 2015? Just putting this out here, first of all. I know no further details…
Anyway, as long as you guys still intend to finish this, I’ll be waiting. Ain’t gonna ask you to catch up quickly or anything, I understand you guys have other stuff to do too (though I admit, “catching up within the week” did get my hopes like -really- high).
Frankly, I might not be able to hold myself from grabbing *something* every week to satiate my hunger for this series (and by that I mean taking other subs to see how the episode goes), but in the end you guys’ work is the one that’s worth keeping. Especially the BDs if you really decide to take them.
So yeah, all in all, thanks, and I’ll be waiting.
Thanks to the suggested “bro” solution for the “Onii-chan” debate, I am now imagining Ilya addressing Shirou entirely in “bro” variatons.
“You’d better summon it soon, brah.”
“There’s no way you can stand against Berserker, brobeans.”
“Just become my doll, Brohemian Rhapsody.”
>Xythar calling me a petulant child
Literal irony. Maybe spend less time stressing yourself out over every slight criticism and you’d be far less stressed.
Ah, I see. It’s not your fault for being a petulant child; it’s my fault for responding to your tantrum seriously instead of patting you on the head and sending you on your way.
Why are you still here?
lol i too am a whiner about utw being too slow but fohfuu got rekt by xythar dealwithit
Xythar you mentioned you’ll be editing ep 3 today/tomorrow does that mean it should be out within the next couple days?
Can’t say, sorry. Editing isn’t really the time consuming part – it’s more going over the script with TLC. I would definitely like to catch up, and it’s far more likely that we will now that the double episodes are out of the way, but I can’t make promises about things that I can’t do on my own.
CR: “Oh, have I struck a nerve?”
UTW: “Oh, have I made you angry?”
CR’s wording for Archer’s line is better. Why dumb it down?
Don’t know where you’re getting the CR line from: http://puu.sh/csAz4/c97d302b72.jpg
And no, it’s not better, because it implies some kind of deliberate provocation on Archer’s part when his line is more like “could i have [inadvertently] made you angry?” The following lines should make it clear that he’s not deliberately trying to piss her off.
Thanks for the work!
I think It’ll worth waiting.
Oh look, UTW’s working on FSN:UBW, along with a *few* others. Big surprise..
At least you’re still active, unlike Heta..
I love you guys. Thank you for this. I am now switching away from Commie for superior UBW subs. <3